Yea but Mike Gowens does a better job at explaining PB distinctive and beliefs than I do… so put your feet up & take a listen.
Elder Michael Gowens – The Hallmark of Primitive Baptist Doctrine – Little Union Primitive Baptist Church
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Elder Michael Gowens – The Hallmark of Primitive Baptist Doctrine – Little Union Primitive Baptist Church
Singing, Praying, Preaching... Singing with the mouth organ ( not the Harmonica)... The God given one... Don't ring the bells, blow the gospel trumpet and raise your voices in praise to God, and don't whistle... Give me that old time religion!... Brother Glen
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KenH
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I know. Like I said, I don't know that much about him other than on the issue of absolute predestination, which I find him in sync with the Biblical teaching on the subject.
Was he really a leading voice for Primitive Baptists in the USA? Which Primitive Baptists? And when?
KenH
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I would guess that the reference would be to the readers of Signs of the Times.
YES! I’ve heard his mention in many sermons and he’s covered extensively in Hassell’s Church History, 1886.
History of the Church of God, From the Creation to A. D. 1885: Including Especially the History of the Kehukee Primitive Baptist Association (Classic Reprint): Cushing Biggs Hassell: 9780265519462: Amazon.com: Books
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I should rather say he’s QUOTED extensively in Hassell’s History.
As an Absoluter. Someone that introduced it to PB’s and causing rifts. In my eyes, he was no better than Andrew Fuller. I credit both for driving PB churches to finally close in NY and NJ.
old regular
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I don't know where you are located , but if you have enough like minded folks you could be organized through the proper procedure into an Old School Baptist Church {Primitive} I would be willing [God permitting] to assist you. Pray about it. A few old time saints worshipping in Spirit and in Truth is a whole lot better than a service of fleshly activities.
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I have met both ways , the Church building for some reason gives people a level of comfort they do not seem to have at a home meeting.
Agreed! I’m living in NW New Jersey. My wife must stay here because she has stage 4 cancer and her cancer medical team is providing fantastic medical attention. There are two PB churches (both in Florida) who provide me much spiritual assistance but I crave more. I would love face time but alas there are no Brethren here in New Jersey (which I view as a spiritual desert).
Elder Gilbert Beebe | Baptist Christian Forums (baptistboard.com)
"...Sylvester Hassell in his History of the Church of God[2], on page 822, had this to say. “Elder Gilbert Beebe, of Middletown, N.Y., has had few equals, since the days of the apostles, in natural and spiritual abilities, in bold and faithful defense, both by tongue and pen, of great fundamental truths of the Scriptures, and in the extensiveness of his ministerial labors. During his long ministry of sixty-three years he is believed to have preached about 10,000 sermons and traveled about 200,000 miles – sent forth, not in the manner of the nineteenth century, by “Missionary Funds,” but in the manner of the first century, by the God of Grace and Providence.”..."
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But he was an absoluter and that’s not PB doctrine. I’m sure if I’d been attending a PB church at the time in NYS that I would have been very confused by his teaching not being part of PB doctrine and would have questioned it as not biblical and if so would have either left the church or if I was accepting of it gone to some sort of Reformed church where it’s greatly accepted… lots of Dutch Reformed in NYS and NJ in those days. Plus I read somewhere that he accomplish that leading to splits in the church. I would challenge you to find any PB churches in those states that aren’t now museums and dead to the PB community.
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My daughter and son-in-law serve at a fundamental Baptist church (but not PB) in southern NJ. They have instrumental accompaniment and sing traditional (though some are recent) hymns and spiritual songs, and have solid Gospel preaching. Is NJ a "desert" simply because no PB churches are present, even though a number of strong Bible-preaching churches can be found? This is not intended as being critical, as each believer must worship where God directs, and your posts indicate that you are doing so.
Off topic: I grew up in northern Morris County until 1973, when God clearly directed me (Prov. 3:5-6) to move to Maine and forestry school. My old home can't be too far from your present one.
I’m not a FundiBaptist & again, there are absolutely no Primitive Baptist Churches in NJ… none. So from my perspective, yes it is a desert.
I’m from Warren County…so what town you from, Boonton, Denville, Morristown perhaps? Note that not aware of any Baptist Churches in NW NJ who are not either infected with rank smoke & mirrors modernism, Dispensationalism, Calvinism, Pentecostalism, Pelegasiam etc. The Primitive (Old School Baptists)are cut from a different cloth as Elder Mike Gowens explains in the sermon I attached earlier.
Kinnelon, one town north from Boonton, named for (and by?) Mr. Kinney, who made a fortune from Sweet Caporal cigarettes.
When I was 8-11 years old, we went to a Presbyterian church in Boonton, before the Methodist church (my mother's family faith) in town. I was one year too old to attend the new HS in Kinnelon, going instead to Butler. Our Thanksgiving Day game was always with Boonton - played against Jim Kiick, later an RB on the 17-0 Dolphins, my senior year, but he always ran to his right and at my defensive right tackle, we never met.
I would not lump Dispensationalism nor Calvinism with the other 2. Over the past 43 years I've attended fundamental churches that include identifying dispensations, which I see as God repeatedly showing humanity that they cannot fully obey His commands - Gal. 3:24-25. JoJ has stated that his view is that dispensations are stewardships, commands for people to correctly treat God's creation, and I see validity in that position as well.
We were raised Roman Catholic, a church that flourishes in NJ. We have 17 in a 25 mile area . If I’d stayed with them then I could pick and choose the church but somehow the Holy Ghost with the help of an audio CD of Pastor George Whitefields sermon on “The Method of Grace” played in my car on my way home from college during a snow storm & driving very slow on Route 80 to avoid a collision, convinced me that Christ really did suffer and die to abolish my sins and He really paid a price for my salvation. With time, I waded through two Presbyterian churches, a Methodist church, a Reformed Baptist church blah blah blah until I learned about the Primitive Baptists and have been intreagued by them ever since. I recently even attempted to get the PB church in Tampa Florida to provide sermons to a rapidly dieing Baptist Church in my town but the Baptist church rejected my proposal. Apparently the HS is not that ready to work in them to save them… alas. so here in New Jersey I am stuck here corresponding with my brothers in Florida a 1000 miles away! Would that I could sit with them and share our love for the Lord face to face.
. If I’d stayed with them then I could pick and choose the church but somehow the Holy Ghost with the help of an audio CD of Pastor George Whitefields sermon on “The Method of Grace” played in my car on my way home from college during a snow storm & driving very slow on Route 80 to avoid a collision, convinced me that Christ really did suffer and die to abolish my sins and He really paid a price for my salvation. With time, I waded through two Presbyterian churches, a Methodist church, a Reformed Baptist church blah blah blah until I learned about the Primitive Baptists and have been intreagued by them ever since. I recently even attempted to get the PB church in Tampa Florida to provide sermons to a rapidly dieing Baptist Church in my town but the Baptist church rejected my proposal. Apparently the HS is not that ready to work in them to save them… alas. so here in New Jersey I am stuck here corresponding with my brothers in Florida a 1000 miles away! Would that I could sit with them and share our love for the Lord face to face.
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