For what? A false religion founded upon a sinful person?
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what if someone who received infant baptism joins a Baptist church?
- Thread starter The Angel of the South
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You dont have to physically die for him now do ya?
Did you read post #38?
ONLY if I had the priviledge to be a martyr for Him!
Martyr schmarter....He wants everyone to be prepared to give up their life.
Very good! I was beginning to wonder if anyone was going to mention that!
Ummmm!... Imagine that... Brother Glen
Some are predestined to that though is my point...
An infant has no say-so in being baptized, and I must say infant baptism isn't a TRUE baptism. One must be saved first to be TRULY baptized, and true baptism is by immersion, a conscious act of the baptizee to willingly undergo it.
Now, there are, of course, some people who can't be baptized by immersion, for physical reasons. Jesus,as usual, provided us an example of this with the repentant thief on the cross whom He saved without baptism, and others have illnesses, etc. which prevent their being safely immersed in water.
But I believe any new Christian who CAN be baptized SHOULD be baptized. GOD knows when this is impossible for a given individual. My late mom-in-law was baptized in a wheelchair in a creek while breathing thru a fireman's mask/air tank. She was SO happy!
But the result of infant baptism is a wet baby, same as the baptism of an unsaved adult results in a wet sinner.
Now, there are, of course, some people who can't be baptized by immersion, for physical reasons. Jesus,as usual, provided us an example of this with the repentant thief on the cross whom He saved without baptism, and others have illnesses, etc. which prevent their being safely immersed in water.
But I believe any new Christian who CAN be baptized SHOULD be baptized. GOD knows when this is impossible for a given individual. My late mom-in-law was baptized in a wheelchair in a creek while breathing thru a fireman's mask/air tank. She was SO happy!
But the result of infant baptism is a wet baby, same as the baptism of an unsaved adult results in a wet sinner.
Ultimately, true baptism is baptism by the Holy spirit into Christ. Plenty of people are baptised with water by immersion who re not saved, but have a false assurance.
And plenty of people baptised as babies are in due course baptised as believers by the Holy Spirit into Christ, without being baptised in water as believers.
The real baptism is the one performed by the Holy Spirit once saved, and its not the Charasmatic second act of Grace version!
We must never lose sight of what water baptism is for... Weather being baptized at the age of nine or ninety... You didn't think it was something else did you?... Brother Glen
1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
Some who have been water batized were still unsaved, but none baptized by the Spirit are lost!We must never lose sight of what water baptism is for... Weather being baptized at the age of nine or ninety... You didn't think it was something else did you?... Brother Glen
1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
In the Jordan?They need to be baptized just like Jesus was... Brother Glen
https://www.google.com/search?q=jes...AUICigB&biw=1024&bih=734#imgrc=jb2yE6IfiE4U_M:
I did not allow either of my sons to be dedicated.
Yes, as we asa the parents vow before God and the assembled to the best of our abilities to raise up the child in the fear and adminition of the Lord!
Don’t you have to be regenerated prior to being dunked?
Regeneration?!? What regeneration??? In the old (pre Vatican 2) baptism was in fact an exercisism and I have the Old doctrinal books to prove it . The water poured on the head was a symbolic cleansing to wash away original sin and then you are considered a new being capable of receiving the graces of the sacraments. As Baptism is considered a sacrament (the initial one) you have received that grace through the acts of your parents, the god parents and the priest (who serves as representative for the RCC).
Now my question is, where is the Holy Spirit in all this?