Not does it say we should not title. A better case from Jesus teachings is the tithe is just the beginning. Christ asks for our all. Remember the widow's mite and Christ's response to her giving her all?
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What IFB or Traditional Baptist Doctrine Do You Reject? .....
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Not does it say we should not title. A better case from Jesus teachings is the tithe is just the beginning. Christ asks for our all. Remember the widow's mite and Christ's response to her giving her all?
I agree.
It's not right to put a skirt on your King James Bible.
Awww shucks. I just made a right pretty one too! I guess I'll have to go put it on my NIV.
didnt I hear that mixed sailboating is wrong? :smilewinkgrin:
EEEEKKKKK!!! I hope not!!! Although, that would mean that I could stay home, wouldn't it??
canadyjd
Well-Known Member
After many hours of careful study, I have moved from several positions held by many Baptist. (probably the majority)
1. I believe church polity should contain a plurality of male elders that lead the church, the pastor is first among equals.
2. I believe deacons are servants, having no offical authority in the church. Since servants have no authority over men, there is no problem with women serving the church as servants.
3. I believe altar calls/repeat after me prayers for salvation cause many false professions of faith, proven by the lack of a transformed life that many exhibit afterward.
4. Easter egg hunts are ungodly/unbiblical.
5. Prohibiting a person from serving the church who has a divorce in their background (without considering whether it was prior to salvation, or fault, or time since) I believe is not biblical.
6. I believe support for the death penalty by a Christian is contrary to the teachings and commands of our Lord Jesus Christ.
peace to you
raying:ashleysdad
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After many hours of careful study, I have moved from several positions held by many Baptist. (probably the majority)
1. I believe church polity should contain a plurality of male elders that lead the church, the pastor is first among equals.
2. I believe deacons are servants, having no offical authority in the church. Since servants have no authority over men, there is no problem with women serving the church as servants.
3. I believe altar calls/repeat after me prayers for salvation cause many false professions of faith, proven by the lack of a transformed life that many exhibit afterward.
4. Easter egg hunts are ungodly/unbiblical.
5. Prohibiting a person from serving the church who has a divorce in their background (without considering whether it was prior to salvation, or fault, or time since) I believe is not biblical.
6. I believe support for the death penalty by a Christian is contrary to the teachings and commands of our Lord Jesus Christ.
peace to you
Not that I am disagreeing but what is your thinking on easter egg hunts? Are you going with the pagan rites associated with the easter egg or the current blight of commercialism that has caused people to associate Easter with the easter egg? Again just curious why you are against easter egg hunts.
We love egg hunts around here! We used to do it as a community at our local beach and it was a great way to get to meet the neighbors who also have smaller children. We're now at the stage of no more egg hunts for a time but when we have grandchildren, I think it would be a good memory for them to do that at grandma and grandpa's house.
Ask that preacher what he thinks of Charles Spurgeon and B.H. Carroll. Both of them smoked.
menageriekeeper
Active Member
Doctrines aren't really the problem. I find its attitudes that I dislike:
1. the attitude that places the pastor as the ultimate decider of spiritual questions rather than the Holy Spirit.
2. the attitude that says that I'm a better Christian than Ann because I followed the rule of not dressing my KJV in a skirt.
3. the attitude that I must not be raising my children right because we listen to music that is not hymns
4. the attitude that places a man other than my husband in authority over me (this one covers the preacher telling me I should be wearing the skirt even though my husband says wear pants)
5. the attitude that sets another Christian in judgement over me because they saw me in the ABC store buying vodka. This also covers playing cards, allowing my children to attend a prom where dancing will occur and going to see "godless hollywood movies in a dark theater that encourages s*xual behavior" yes, I have been told such will send me and mine straight to hell.
6. Pretty much anything that sets a personal preference up against the liberty of the believer to either make the holding the preference out to be more spiritual than the other or makes the other to feels as though they are committing sin/not doing their best/not fully committed to God because they don't believe the same way.
That'll do for a start.
1. the attitude that places the pastor as the ultimate decider of spiritual questions rather than the Holy Spirit.
2. the attitude that says that I'm a better Christian than Ann because I followed the rule of not dressing my KJV in a skirt.
3. the attitude that I must not be raising my children right because we listen to music that is not hymns
4. the attitude that places a man other than my husband in authority over me (this one covers the preacher telling me I should be wearing the skirt even though my husband says wear pants)
5. the attitude that sets another Christian in judgement over me because they saw me in the ABC store buying vodka. This also covers playing cards, allowing my children to attend a prom where dancing will occur and going to see "godless hollywood movies in a dark theater that encourages s*xual behavior"
yes, I have been told such will send me and mine straight to hell. 6. Pretty much anything that sets a personal preference up against the liberty of the believer to either make the holding the preference out to be more spiritual than the other or makes the other to feels as though they are committing sin/not doing their best/not fully committed to God because they don't believe the same way.
That'll do for a start.
Are you saying that the preacher should not teach?
SNIFF - you're a better Christian than me. :tear:
Yet they will happily eat your penne a la vodka at the potluck on Sunday night, right?? :wavey:
menageriekeeper
Active Member
Or they'll happily use my home made vanilla flavoring without a comment. :wavey:
Oh - absolutely. And I'm sure they'll polish off a LOT of it in dishes, right??
menageriekeeper
Active Member
Jon-Marc, Calvinism/Arminism are doctrinal theories rather than doctrines that stand alone.
Baptist fundamentals are things such as the virgin birth, the Deity of Christ, the inerrancy of scripture etc. Calvinism/Arminism seek to explain how God accomplishes His plan. The plan is doctrine. How God got to that point is theory/mystery.
Clear as mud?
Baptist fundamentals are things such as the virgin birth, the Deity of Christ, the inerrancy of scripture etc. Calvinism/Arminism seek to explain how God accomplishes His plan. The plan is doctrine. How God got to that point is theory/mystery.
Clear as mud?
I meant, a Fellowship that is not labelled Sunday School. Yes, I mean a time when a small group meets together, not formally, on Sunday mornings (not limited to this one time), as one, to look into and discuss God's Word, pray, and be together.
I agree that the study of God's Word must 'primarily' be a personal and individual time with God. I would disagree that 'secondarily' small group times with God and others are not a means of growing. Im not sure that you disagree. Personally, I would be missing a primary aspect of my life if I didnt spend time in God's Word with others, I would end up more prideful, and narrow minded.
I believe a study leader in a small group setting does not always stand up there and teach/spoon-feed. I have a great SS teacher right now who is called and gifted in teaching. He teaches if there is a part of the text that is easily misunderstood, such as Greek misunderstandings, authors intent, contextual background, and so forth. Other times he simply leads a discussion which is necessary unless you want rabbit trail chaos. Now, I must say that I could pick the class apart or any type of church event if I wanted to. I can always find an issue in preaching, teaching, and music no matter where I go. An example would be the tendency for a class to be lazy and not personally get into the text that is brought up in class and prefer being spoon-fed which is not growth at all anyway.
Maybe this is for another thread, but maybe you can clarify how you define fellowship so I dont misunderstand you. Does it not include getting into the Word?
I would agree to some extent. If there is a group of 50 choir members, because of sinfulness, there is a high temptation to perform rather than to worship although I don't think this can be applied to all choir members. I can partially agree with this because I could go without a choir in worship (and maybe prefer it), although I have no experience in music ministry or ground to stand on when I make this statement. From my limited amount of study I would say that the music ministry these days is a very very tough thing to stay faithful in because of numerous temptations that arise and grip leaders without even realizing it. I can say that the music in my church sometimes leads to a more emotional setting (which is common today it seems) than actual God praising worship.
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??There are many Baptist doctrines that contradict each other. For example. some churches believe in open Communion and others believe in closed communion. I doubt you believe in both of those doctrines.
But since that was not the OP, let me segue that.
Suppose a church is Closed - and demands visitors to leave before communion is served. That I would disagree with.
I could fellowship with a Closed church (as a non-member - eg visitor) but I would have a problem if they demanded I leave. If was to stay during the Lords supper, I have no problem respecting their closed communion belief and therefore would not partake.
Salty
thomas15
Well-Known Member
David played the Lyre and the Temple had it's choir. I personally see nothing wrong with good music. For me, one of the prime motivators to encourage me to be a better musician is that I want to play well in church. But, pinoybaptist, you are intitled to your opinion and we must respect you for it.