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Wrong - read 2 Cor. 4:6 and 1 Thes. 1:4-5. The effectual call is through the preaching of the gospel as empowered by God not by men (2 Thes. 2:13-14). When it comes in "word only" it has no saving power. When it comes in "word only" then it is foolishness to the lost but when it comes "in power and in the Holy Spirit" it is regenerating and transforming producing LIGHT in the darkened lost condition of the elect.

 

Are you kidding? You are the one who keeps saying an unsaved person cannot even believe in God without God first saving him and causing him to believe.

See, you just got through saying no one is denying the lost person chooses, then you turn around and say the argument is about what is the cause for him choosing. HE CHOOSES TO DO WHAT HE HAS HEARD, BECAUSE FAITH COMES FROM HEARING.

You believe that God saves a person first, and simultaneously, while the person is being saved, God has caused the person to believe through the saving. THAT IS NOT BIBLICAL.

 

You do not see it, and you are fighting it, but your beliefs come down to those of what SBM teaches. Your beliefs come down to those of SBM's.

 

1. Is he depraved or totally depraved? Which do I believe? Quote me.
2. Can he believe on his own? Quote me where I said he could not come to Jesus? Are you in the habit of putting words in the mouths of people, making false misrepresentations, and thus a lie?

When a person is saved there are two things that are necessary: the Word of God and the Spirit of God.

But you deflect this entire conversation. You can't stay on topic. I have tried to consistently say that an unsaved man cannot do good, cannot do anything that is good to merit heaven. Then you change the subject, and start making personal accusations.

No you haven't. You have proved that you have disregarded the context, and have not looked at the underlying Greek of that particular verse. When Jesus finished speaking what was the reaction of those Jews?
Did they choose to do His will?

John 7:17-20 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me? The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee?

Fine gentlemen weren't they??
"If any man will do his will..." The meaning is "if any man will do completely, perfectly his will (which is impossible for them to do), then he shall know of the doctrine (which was impossible for them to know). For these were carnal men and they sought only their own glory.

You are taking Scripture out of context. The unsaved seeks only to do his own will and glorifies himself and not God. That is what Jesus says.

Yes, he was, and those same unbelievers called him a devil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

What is a "work"?



Boy, I'm tired already....LOL

 

But I haven't finished my job yet...:laugh:

 

You believe in the same depravity that Calvinists believe. You said man could not do anything, not even get Jesus’ teachings, and do any of them. That is nowhere in the Bible.

Quote me where I said you said that. You are the one making things up. You quoted me as saying, “If man is as totally depraved as you teach, then he could not believe on his own, as you are now trying to claim he can.” Then you responded by saying, “Quote me where I said he could not come to Jesus?” So, I ask you, are you in the habit of putting words in the mouths of people, making false misrepresentations, and thus a lie, as you said to me?
You just cannot help but resort back to your bad debate tactics.

It did not take long for the same old ways to take hold of you. You were being decent enough, but now it is back to the same old debate tactics.

God has opened the eyes of my heart. I do not need to learn Greek. What has learning Greek done for you?

Not everyone wants Jesus to save them.

You just added to the word of God in your explanation.

Jesus says, ""Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. Matthew 7:24.

 

You are not even honest with yourself. Either you are completely naive or a hypocrite. Which one?
Concerning the very Scripture you posted do you keep it--completely, 100%, not just try, but do you keep it, all the time?

Deu 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.

 

What could this possible do with Moses? You are way off base, and are changing the topic, as you usually do when cornered.
I am not asking Moses if he can keep the Law.
I am asking YOU!
Moses, through the Lord, gave that commandment. Now, I have asked you plainly:

Just answer the question; quit avoiding it.

 

YES! Moses clearly stated that the Law was doable.