What is an Arminian?

[BobRyan]

An Arminian is someone who reads "God so loved the WORLD that He gave his only son" and believes that in fact God DID love the World.

An Arminian is someone who reads "He was the atoning sacrifice for Our Sins and NOT for Our sins only but for those of the WHOLE WORLD" and believes it was actually for the WHOLE WORLD.

An Arminian is someone that reads "I will draw ALL Mankind unto Me" John 12:32 and believes Christ actually draws ALL Mankind to Himself.

An Arminian is someone that reads "The Spirit convicts the WORLD of Sin and righteousness and judgment" John 16 and - believes it.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Yelsew]

Originally posted by BobRyan:
An Arminian is someone who reads "God so loved the WORLD that He gave his only son" and believes that in fact God DID love the World.

An Arminian is someone who reads "He was the atoning sacrifice for Our Sins and NOT for Our sins only but for those of the WHOLE WORLD" and believes it was actually for the WHOLE WORLD.

An Arminian is someone that reads "I will draw ALL Mankind unto Me" John 12:32 and believes Christ actually draws ALL Mankind to Himself.

An Arminian is someone that reads "The Spirit convicts the WORLD of Sin and righteousness and judgment" John 16 and - believes it.

In Christ,

Bob

NO! An Arminian is one who adapts his beliefs to adhere to the stated beliefs of Arminius. Just as a Calvinist is one who adapts his beliefs to those of John Calvin. That is why I am Christian, because my beliefs are consistant with and conformed to the teachings of Jesus, The Christ!

I am therefore not Arminian nor am I Calvinist!

 

[Frogman]

I may be wrong, but the post does not ask: "What is Yelsew?" does it. Bob was stating his belief concerning what an Arminian is. If that definition fits what you believe, then for all intents and purposes you are, but we are not discussing that question.

Bro. Dallas

 

[Yelsew]

OK, I stated my opinion of what was posted, so what?

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by BobRyan:
An Arminian is someone who reads "God so loved the WORLD that He gave his only son" and believes that in fact God DID love the World.

An Arminian is someone who reads "He was the atoning sacrifice for Our Sins and NOT for Our sins only but for those of the WHOLE WORLD" and believes it was actually for the WHOLE WORLD.

An Arminian is someone that reads "I will draw ALL Mankind unto Me" John 12:32 and believes Christ actually draws ALL Mankind to Himself.

An Arminian is someone that reads "The Spirit convicts the WORLD of Sin and righteousness and judgment" John 16 and - believes it.

In Christ,

Bob

I disagree. Universalists can say all of these things, and they are not Arminians.

 

[Johnv]

I work with a woman who's Arminian. She's from Armenia

 

[Yelsew]

I'm slow, but I finally discovered the writings of Calvin. They are in the comic strip of the daily paper. Several of my associates read those cartoons, so I guess that make them Calvinists!

 

[npetreley]

Originally posted by Yelsew:
I'm slow, but I finally discovered the writings of Calvin. They are in the comic strip of the daily paper. Several of my associates read those cartoons, so I guess that make them Calvinists!

I'm more of a Hobbesist, myself. Although I actually lean more toward Robotmanism, Garfieldism or sometimes Tumbleweedsism.

 

[Sherrie]

I am wondering what I am. Those that have seen me post for a while...which do you think I am?

Sherrie

 

[npetreley]

Originally posted by Sherrie:
I am wondering what I am. Those that have seen me post for a while...which do you think I am?

Sherrie

A pretty lady with a good sense of humor. Or an aardvark. I always get the two confused.

 

[Sherrie]

An aardvark! hmmmmm...

Sherrie

 

[Frogman]

I am wont to say that I am a Biblisist; but alas the connotations of this word provoke in others the thought that I beleive they do not read/believe the Bible, so forget I said anything, just as you read the word Biblisist do not think of the meaning of the word, just forget it ok, I am sorry I said anything.

Now, when you think back over your experience, tell me something, did you ever hear the Gospel preached when it had no effect on you?

Ok, forget I said that too.

One more, When the Gospel was heard by you and the truth of its meaning was opened and applied to you can you explain why the very first time you heard it these things were not true?

Ok, forget I said that too, all people everywhere are Sovereign Gracers, why, because they sit under the sound of the Gospel sometimes for years before it takes hold of them and is affective.

Ok, just forget everything I just posted my point is, man cannot hear, read, or see anything without visiualizing it. Even the very first time as a child, or whatever age, that we hear the Gospel, we may visualize it, but this does not make it affective. What does?

The Holy Spirit of God.

God Bless.
Bro. Dallas

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by Frogman:
Now, when you think back over your experience, tell me something, did you ever hear the Gospel preached when it had no effect on you?

Yes. I made excuses as to why I didn't need to believe.

One more, When the Gospel was heard by you and the truth of its meaning was opened and applied to you can you explain why the very first time you heard it these things were not true?

Because I thought that I was a good person, and that was enough to be saved. I believed that Jesus was raised from the dead at some point, but I did not make Him Lord of my life yet. I wasn't ready for that.

Ok, forget I said that too, all people everywhere are Sovereign Gracers, why, because they sit under the sound of the Gospel sometimes for years before it takes hold of them and is affective.

It wasn't a matter of the gospel taking hold of me, just a matter of the Holy Spirit not failing to continue to draw me. I eventually said, "yes," and surrendered my life to Him. It was my choice to do so.

Ok, just forget everything I just posted my point is, man cannot hear, read, or see anything without visiualizing it. Even the very first time as a child, or whatever age, that we hear the Gospel, we may visualize it, but this does not make it affective. What does?

The Holy Spirit of God draws us. I responded to that gospel call. It was after i believed that I was regenerated.

The Holy Spirit of God.

Which draws all men.

 

[Frogman]

So the Holy Spirit is earnestly and fervently dealing with those who will believe while those who will not are able to resist the power of God?

I could, I guess, agree with you more. But I disagree, those who are elected are those who experience this continual drawing, all others look at them as 'strangers' in the earth.

God Bless.
Bro. Dallas

 

[Sherrie]

are able to resist the power of God?

Frogman...how are we able to resist the power of God?

I think I have to disagree with that statement.

Sherrie

 

[Yelsew]

Frogman, You're a confusist!

 

[Frogman]

Originally posted by Sherrie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />are able to resist the power of God?

Frogman...how are we able to resist the power of God?

I think I have to disagree with that statement.

Sherrie </font>[/QUOTE]Ok, now read my post again and see that I too do not believe that we can resist the power of God, thus, this power must be applied only to those who will believe because of the election in eternity.

God Bless.
Bro. Dallas

 

[Frogman]

Originally posted by Yelsew:
Frogman, You're a confusist!

Explain further....since I do not worship my anscestors then I deny your claim; neither do I believe in a system that teaches that the emperor is the Son of Heaven. There is but one Son of Heaven and this is as you know the Christ as spoken of in Is. 9.6

If you mean that I confuse you, I regret this, but it would help if you would read and rely more on scripture to found your system than on your emotions. From our former discussions in which you have denied scripture because of the 'out-dated' notions or prejudiced opinions of the writers, then I must very well confuse you, however, I am sorry for this.

BTW, if you will take a look at Confucianism, you will find it is closer to the position of the 'free-will' of man and of Arminians in that it teaches all men are essentially good, what brings hurt into the world, anarchy, tyrants, etc. is the bad choices of men, but not there nature. (I recommend Essays on Chinese Civilization Eds. Charles Le Blanc and Dorothy Borei. (Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1981). Another good read is Treason by the Book (Jonathan Spence. New York: Penquin Books, 2002). This work is excellent in describing the practical use of Confucianism in China of the 1700's.

God Bless.
Bro. Dallas

 

[Yelsew]

My post had nothing to do with Chinese religion, I was simply saying that you totally enjoy thowing in those tidbits that only add confusion.

 

[Frogman]

I don't see how 'those tidbits' can cause confusion. At least not in the situation where it is believed that man has retained the image of God though he has by his liberty entered into open rebellion against God.

Here is what I said:

So the Holy Spirit is earnestly and fervently dealing with those who will believe while those who will not are able to resist the power of God?

I could, I guess, agree with you more. But I disagree, those who are elected are those who experience this continual drawing, all others look at them as 'strangers' in the earth.

1) A question, not a statement of what I believe as such. Because of the question mark, there should have been the recognition that I was not making a declaration of my belief. (Most on this forum have read enough of my posts to know how I respond, how I post, etc. Sherrie is not very active here, though she may read alot from the forum, her question is valid due to the fact that she has not often been involved in discussion with me, to show more plainly my style is only fair to her)

2) A statement that I could (if I wanted to) agree more with the premise of what is argued that all men are drawed, but to agree with this would prove God weak and dependent upon man to 'choose' to validate the work of God in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.

I have apologized for the "tendency" of my posts to confuse any, but this is my style.

Bro. dallas