Mark Corbett
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Amen!! Your whole comment was very encouraging to me. And your Philippians based counsel in very helpful in application.
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What is Babylon?
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Amen!! Your whole comment was very encouraging to me. And your Philippians based counsel in very helpful in application.
Babylon was apostate Jerusalem...the harlot, in contrast to the bride.
Mark Corbett
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You bring up a point that is helpful (even though I don't agree that Jerusalem is the most likely correct interpretation - but I understand there is some evidence in favor of your view and I respect it). It is important to remember that there is a big contrast set up in the last chapters of Revelation:
Babylon vs. The New Jerusalem
and (same thing with different symbols)
The Harlot vs. The Bride of Christ
We all have to choose. This is a major point in my sermon video in the opening post.
The city of Babylon was hated by God after Nebuchadnezzar's time because it continued & expanded upon the evil religion created by Nimrod & Semiramis. That's why that religion was called "mystery, Babylon" later by Jesus in Revelation. it had spread among the Jews, as is evident by their making cakes for the queen of heaven & weeping for Tammuz.
The first Babylon lost its importance when it fell to the Medes & Persians, & while it continued on as a minor city for awhile, God decreed it'd never be rebuilt once the last of its stones were carted off for construction projects elsewhere. And look what happened to Saddam Hussein & his evil sons when they tried to rebuild it! GOD'S WORD STANDS!
The 2nd Babylon is not Jerusalem, but ROME. It shall suddenly be wiped out. Scripture calls Jerusalem "Sodom and Egypt' (Rev. 11;8) it never calls J "Babylon".
The first Babylon lost its importance when it fell to the Medes & Persians, & while it continued on as a minor city for awhile, God decreed it'd never be rebuilt once the last of its stones were carted off for construction projects elsewhere. And look what happened to Saddam Hussein & his evil sons when they tried to rebuild it! GOD'S WORD STANDS!
The 2nd Babylon is not Jerusalem, but ROME. It shall suddenly be wiped out. Scripture calls Jerusalem "Sodom and Egypt' (Rev. 11;8) it never calls J "Babylon".
Mark Corbett
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Do you seen anything that is Babylon-like today or see any applications for Christians today?
Mark Corbett
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I don't understand what point you are making. Would you mind stating it plainly for my benefit?
Follow the course of the dialog:
Then you probably don't agree with the time statements given in the book:
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;,,,,,,, Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written therein: for the time is at hand. Rev 1: 1, 3
I come quickly: hold fast that which thou hast, that no one take thy crown. Rev 3:11
Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe for the earth and for the sea: because the devil is gone down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time. Rev 12: 12
And behold, I come quickly. Blessed is he that keepeth the words of the prophecy of this book.,,,,,,,,,, And he saith unto me, Seal not up the words of the prophecy of this book; for the time is at hand.,,,,,,,, Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to render to each man according as his work is.,,,,,,,,,,,,,, He who testifieth these things saith, Yea: I come quickly. Amen: come, Lord Jesus. Rev 22:7,10,12,20
Rome is the seat of the RCC, which has many of the rites, customs, & doctrines of the old mystery, Babylon religion. They make Mary some sorta queen of heaven, believe in purgatory, reciting the rosary with rosary beads, have man-made saints, a pope & cardinals, indulgences, a corrupt Communion, celibacy for its clergy, and umpteen more man-made rules, which the old mystery, Babylon religion followed.
While maybe not today, Rome has a long & bloody history of persecuting Christians. Anyone may read both a Bible & a history book to see that.
As for your questions-I see many Babylon-like things today in the rise of many quasi/pseudo-Christian cults and complete disregard of God in many aspects of daily life. And I also see Sodom-like things in the worldwide acceptance of LBGTQ as a new normal, especially since gender-bender surgery became cheaper & commonplace.
However, let's not miss chances to witness to such people, as Jesus died for them, same as He did us. And we should see the world is being prepared for the coming of the beast/antichrist.
Thing is, He HASN'T yet come. That's VERY-OBVIOUS! And His "come quickly" means swiftly, not time-wise, at least in our manner of reckoning time.
And if you think He's already come, then Rev. 19:11-21 musta come to pass. If so, WHY ISN'T HE NOW HERE, ruling the nations with a rod of iron?
What's very obvious is how carnal your understanding (and @Mark Corbett ) is concerning the spirituality of the New Covenant.
18 while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. 2 Cor 4
It can't been seen with the eye:
20 And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God cometh, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.
22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. Lu 17
Nor can it be touched with the hand:
18 For ye are not come unto a mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, and unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
22 but ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable hosts of angels, Heb 12
Nor is it of this world:
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Jn 18
Christ rules from the heavenly Jerusalem, now:
18 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth. Mt 28
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Eternally Grateful
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I started at 33 like you suggested. A few notes I wanted to touch on
The beast, He states is a government system, In reality the beast is a world leader. The man of sin he is also called. The final gentile ruler.
The false prophet, although a false religious system, this false prophet has one goal and one goal only. To support and point to the beast system.
The harlot. While I believe it is the world system, and can agree with this. I think we must go back to who she was. Its hard today to look. Because we do not use this term. But back in the OT and Jesus time, it was well known. Babylon was the system, or religion that came out of babel. It in itself is the false religious system, which I believe includes the world system.
Babylon is who Jerusalem played the harlot with. And sinned with, those sins which caused her destruction.
Many believe it is the pagan system of Babylon, Baal worship/ Greece and roman mythology. Which held sway and great power in the world.
Eternally Grateful
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One must remember, Israel was not the harlot. She committed harlotry with the harlot (babylon)
A wife or husband finds a harlot to commit sexual fornication with. They are not the harlot itself
Israel played the harlot with Baal and other false Gods.
Obviously, you pay no attention to history, and Scriptures you don't like.
Yes, the beast/antichrist will be one man. And so will his sidekick, the false prophet.
In Scriptural metaphorism, a harlot is almost always a false religion. And, while the last verse of Rev. 17 shows the harlot of that chapter as the city of Rome, what religion is seated in Rome?
Lodic
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In the context of the Book of Revelation, 1st Century Apostate Israel was the harlot who was involved with the Roman Empire.
Eternally Grateful
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Yes AD 70 was in accordance with Lev 26.
WHat specific reference in revelation are you speaking of? Babylon the mother of harlots?
if so why do you think that is jerusalem?
Eternally Grateful
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If we look at what religion is seated in rome. We have the roman catholic church. sitting on the 7 hills (the vatican)
I am not going to go that that is definitely Babylon though. Although if you look at the characteristics. Rome fits prety much all of them
Eternally Grateful
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I disagree,
Jerusalem was the elect bride. who played the harlot with the roman empire.
The roman empire and their polythiestic gods were the mother harlot.
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