What is it Charismatics believe?

[DHK]

Originally posted by qwerty:
DHK,
On the surface, your response is troubling. You might want to clarify, and you might not want to.

1. Are you equating Islam with the Charismatics?
2. Is Islam a false religion? Is the Charismatic movement a false religion?
3. Are Charismatics Christians?
4. Is there ANYTHING good that Charismatics do for the Kingdom of God?

Go to some of the debate forums with Muslims. Americans tend only to look at the negative side of Islam because of the extreme faction. In fact Islam has contributed much (much more than the Charismatic movement will ever contribute) good. They have contributed in the areas of art, architecture, literature, even medicine, and in many other areas--mostly unknow to Americans who know Muslims as only as a bunch of terrorists--a broad stereotyped paint brush which does injustice to the one billion Muslims that live on this earth.

The Charismatic movement is in effect a false religion that one day will become part and parcel of the religion of the anti-Christ. It knows no boundaries. It transcends and encompasses all religions. Hindus, Mormons, the Voo-doo worshippers of Haiti--they all speak in tongues. These along with main-line liberal denominations who deny the deity of Christ such as some United Churches of Canada, Methodist Churches, liberal congregational, etc. And what do you do with the Charismatic Catholics? The Charismatic movement is the tool in the devil's hand used by the ecumenical movemement to bring all religions together.
Thus, when the article speaks of Charismatic mainstream doctrine, what is he referring to? The Charismatic movement has no mainstream doctrine except speaking in tongues, and the typical experiences of a Charismatic which define the movement. One popular leader of a Charismatic program, who regularly has a Charismatic Catholic priest on his show, has (more than once) prayed, "O God, deliver us from doctrine."

Yes, doctrine is evil. Doctrine divides. They don't want doctrine. That is why they can so easily accept Benny Hinn's nine person trinity, the god-is-in-you theology. Unity, not theology is the rallying word.
Your critic has set forth his own straw man by picking and choosing his own examples. His example of the kindergarten material was irrelevant. The truth is that MacArthur quotes extensively from first hand material: straight from TBN conversations--the very words of Paul and Jan Crouch, the writings and conversations of the such as Benny Hinn and others that make up the leaders of the present day Charismatic movement.
He asks why MacArthur doesn't quote from Moody or from A.B. Simpson? Is he foolish? Simpson and Moody were not Charismatics and had nothing to do with either the Charismatic movement or its foundation. He has set up his own strawman and would like to compare the Charismatic movement to mainstream Christianity, but in reality it has nothing to do with it. It is a 20th century phenomena. It did not exist before the 20th century.
It associates itself with unbelievers of all kinds--even other world religions that have nothing to do with Christianity. Hindus speak in tongues. Is it of God? --The unifying force of the anti-Christ--that which he will use in the end times to bring about a one world religion. It is inherently evil. Any sincere Christian that has been deceived into following should have nothing to do with. I do believe that there are many sincere Christians involved in this, but they are deceived in their theology and in their association with it. It is not of God.
"Come out from among them saith the Lord."
DHK

 

[atestring]

Read your history DKH.
The cessationist heresy never showed up in Baptist Writings before the trun of the 20th century. Read the New Hampshire Confession and you will find some things that are very Charismatic. Study the Cane Ridge Revival of 1801 in Paris KEntucky. Study the life of Charles Finney, and Jonathan Edwards and the life of John Wesley and George Whitfield and you will no longer call the Charismatic Movement a 20th century phenomena.
I don't expect you to study these because you have made up your mind to follow John Macarthur.
I would challenge you to read the reason that John Macarthur in his Book Charismatic Chaos that the Charismatic Movement is flourishing. According to him it is because non Charismatic churches are dry. He is right about that. I been to too many dry Church services. Stay dry if you want to but I'll take all that God has for me.
By the way there is nothing in Baptist doctrine that officially fobids the Charismatic Movement. The SBC will not even edeeal with this by a resolution because 20% of all SBC are reported to have Charismatic Leanings. The State of Florida on a state level is the exception. The Georgia Baptist tried to get a resolution against the Charismatic and it failed.
By the way ever heard of a scripture that says, having a form of godliness and denying the power thereof?
How about the scripture that says quench not the Spirit?

 

[Jesus is Lord]

That is why they can so easily accept Benny Hinn's nine person trinity...

This is a perfect example of a spiritually dangerous argument. Benny Hinn repented on TBN and declared this statement as false, because it was not in the Bible. He repented, that means he is forgiven and the blood of Jesus has cleansed him. How dangerous is it to use a fault which has been forgiven to accuse somebody?

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Jesus is Lord:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> That is why they can so easily accept Benny Hinn's nine person trinity...

This is a perfect example of a spiritually dangerous argument. Benny Hinn repented on TBN and declared this statement as false, because it was not in the Bible. He repented, that means he is forgiven and the blood of Jesus has cleansed him. How dangerous is it to use a fault which has been forgiven to accuse somebody? </font>[/QUOTE]Benny Hinn's repentance is false. As a dog returns to his vomit, so Hinn returned to his own heresies. He was and still remains to this day a false prophet.
DHK

 

[DHK]

A false prophet? A heretic? You decide:

Televangelist and faith healer Benny Hinn was another Trinity target. For a recent CNN report, Trinity detectives found receipts in the trash for $2,200-a-night hotel suites used by Hinn's bodyguards and caught Hinn on tape claiming that he had videotape of a man being raised from the dead at his Ghana crusade. Hinn told U.S. News that the high-priced hotels were needed for security abroad but admitted that though he was told about the resurrection videotape, he never saw it.
Detectives for Christ, U.S. News & World Report, Dec. 12, 1997

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t11.html

Representatives of CRI and other evangelical apologetics ministries say they have noticed a pattern of Hinn telling people behind the scenes that he has changed, but then going on as before.
(...)

Indeed, for those who have been keeping an eye on him, Hinn has proven to be difficult to pin down. Not long after telling Christianity Today that the ''faith message'' (as articulated by such teachers as Kenneth Copeland) does not ''add up,'' Hinn said that speaking out against Copeland was tantamount to ''attacking the very presence of God.'' Also, though affirming the concept of a triune God, he continues to maintain that the Holy Spirit has a ''spirit-body.''

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h01.html

In last year's interview with CT, Hinn said he would no longer use the term revelation knowledge in reference to some of his teachings because of the implication that those teachings were directly from God and thus infallible. While he has shunned the term revelation knowledge, just a few months ago on TV Hinn said that the Holy Spirit was at that moment teaching him that God originally designed women to give birth out of their sides.(...)

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h01.html

Benny Hinn hasn't changed any. He is still the same heretic as he was before.
"A heretic after the first and second adomonition, reject."
DHK

 

[Marcia]

Hinn repenting on TBN is rather ironic given what TBN promotes. TBN features Word Faith and Oneness teachers regularly. I even saw TBN have Della Reese on. While she talked, people in the audience clapped and said, "Amen." Della Reese is minister of a church whose teachings are New Thought and are not Christian at all.

More on Hinn:

One of the popular word faith teachings is that Jesus took on the nature of Satan and had to be born again. This doctrine is intrinsically linked to the "Jesus died spiritually" heresy which postulates that Jesus' shed blood was insufficient for the redemption of man; He had to suffer at Satan's hands in Hell and be born again as the first man to conquer death. Hinn also teaches this heresy:

"He [Jesus] who is righteous by choice said, 'The only way I can stop sin is by Me becoming it. I can't just stop it by letting it touch Me; I and it must become one.' Hear this! He who is the nature of God became the nature of Satan where He became sin!" (TBN, 12/1/90).

In this one statement, Hinn manages to convey three distinct errors concerning Jesus, to which we must answer the following: 1) Jesus is not righteous by choice, but by nature; 2) Jesus never said these words, either in Scripture or to Benny Hinn personally, because they are unbiblical; 3) Jesus' nature is constant; even God cannot change His nature from God to something else. When He became a man, the Word of God co-mingled his divine nature with the flesh of man, not angels; but that is the limit of His approaching anything like assuming Satan's nature. This idea is a first-rate heresy which, drawn to its conclusion in the supposed spiritual death of Jesus denies the blood of Christ and damns those who teach and believe it unless they repent. It is a different gospel from that given through Scripture.

. . .In spite of Hinn's professional rejection of the word-faith message, he hasn't given up on it entirely. The word-faith message encompasses far more that the "name it and claim it" foolishness. It is intrinsically linked to the God-man-believer and Jesus-died-spiritually heresies, which Hinn continues to espouse. It exalts man and denigrates Christ, as most false teachings do.

Due to confrontations by biblical fundamentalists as well as by a television tabloid journalism program, Hinn has "repented" now at least three times, but each time he goes back to that from which he repented. He says he no longer believes the "positive confession" he once taught. But if that were true, he would oppose its teachings and teachers. Had he really repented, Hinn would actively work to deliver his many thousands of followers from these false doctrines, but he has not done so. In fact, he is still in full fellowship with the positive confession leaders and adherents.

If Hinn were seriously concerned for truth, as he now claims to be, he would recall his tapes and books that presented false teachings he says he no longer believes. Instead, they are still being sold. In fact, his "repentance" is deficient because it fails to admit the gravity of his error. "I never taught heresy," Hinn insists. "I admit I taught some things that were aberrant ... but I think heresy is too strong a word." /QUOTE]
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[Pete]

Originally posted by atestring:
By the way ever heard of a scripture that says, having a form of godliness and denying the power thereof?
How about the scripture that says quench not the Spirit?

In the time I attended "alphabet soup" Churches (aog/clc/etc) it was amazing the number of times those verses were used to promote their manifestation of the month. The usage level of those verses was pretty close to the non-usage level of 1 Timothy 4:16, 2 Timothy 4:3, Titus 2:1, etc etc...