Emasculate....would be another
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What is meant by Cals when they ask: do you believe "by our own ability?"
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quantumfaith
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quantumfaith
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EWF,
Please elaborate for me HOW one believing that the ability to express faith (of man) emasculates or in any way diminishes God.
Quantum and DHK are consistent and logical and concise. They will say, yes, faith is a natural aptitude.
Scandal WANTS to say the same thing, but he hasn't yet cast off all the trappings of Calvinism. He knows that men can only respond by the power of the Spirit. He therefore has to lay a new foundation that says that since God is creator of both heaven and earth, there is no real difference between them. Since God gave man the power to do whatever it is he does, whether he works equations or writes music, then man is doing those things in no less the power of God than he does to believe unto salvation.
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Yes, and the Earth was without form and void, but had the life and trees, men, cattle, fish, all life "within" it and only needed stimulating. Just a little massage and bam here we are. 
Not quite. God's Word brought the life, and is life.
Jesus Word brings faith. It wasn't "in us." Romans 10:17. :wavey:
Not quite. God's Word brought the life, and is life.
Jesus Word brings faith. It wasn't "in us." Romans 10:17. :wavey:
1st answer me this. Do you believe Jesus dieing on the cross was your salvation or was it a token expression to invite man to express his beliefs.
If Faith is a natural aptitude, why did Christ die on the Cross?
According to Nonclavinists, He died to level the playing field. He fulfilled the law, and now it no longer stands between us and heaven. All that is required now is one act of righteousness—that of choosing to believe in Jesus.
You guys have got to quit intentionally misrepresenting our position. This is part of the unkind and arrogant attitude that has been a growing concern.
Excuse me but Im asking questions here & you guys are not answering so the brother is answering the way he sees it.....correct him if he is wrong or shut up.
So that men might put their faith in him and receive the gift of salvation.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.
He that hath Son hath life; he that hath not the Son hath not life.
These things have I written unto you that ye may know that he have eternal life and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
(John 3:16,18,36; 5:24; Acts 10:43; 16:31; Rom.10:9,10,13)
Outright lie, but not unexpected considering the source.
Define "natural aptitude". Did man create the ability to have faith, or God? Isn't everything we deem "natural" in actuality all from God?
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The part where he's wrong is his statement about "choosing to believe in God," and thus, the misrepresentation of the position.
If it were simply a choice, then everyone would choose it, and everyone would be saved by their belief.
The nature of belief is not choice. There's only one way I can put this, and like any other analogy, it's not going to be perfect, but please give it some consideration: When did you decide/choose that the opposite sex was attractive? (not getting into the question of homosexuality here; just go with the analogy as presented, please)
My point being, the misrepresentation of the position being that the noncalvinist view is a work because it's an active choice. It's no more an active choice than you deciding to like the opposite sex.
If one hears the Word and chooses to have faith and belief, then you could feasibly say that it's a head knowledge, and thus a "work," and in reality, nothing's actually changed. Instead, we hear the Word, and we *know* it to be truth, and it works a change in us.
If it were simply a choice, then everyone would choose it, and everyone would be saved by their belief.
The nature of belief is not choice. There's only one way I can put this, and like any other analogy, it's not going to be perfect, but please give it some consideration: When did you decide/choose that the opposite sex was attractive? (not getting into the question of homosexuality here; just go with the analogy as presented, please)
My point being, the misrepresentation of the position being that the noncalvinist view is a work because it's an active choice. It's no more an active choice than you deciding to like the opposite sex.
If one hears the Word and chooses to have faith and belief, then you could feasibly say that it's a head knowledge, and thus a "work," and in reality, nothing's actually changed. Instead, we hear the Word, and we *know* it to be truth, and it works a change in us.
God did...after regeneration
So who created the ability to have faith in other objects pre-regeneration?
But Im still confused.....did Christ actively save you by dieing on the cross ie your saved & that all that awaits you is a visit from the HS. After that you want to believe. Or does Christ dieing on the cross function as a token to salvation....now its up to man to save himself by claiming Christ....do you see what Im driving at?
See Calvinists believe Christs death automatically saves....then the process begins with regeneration etc. When your regenerated you cant help but want it (to believe, to have faith) so thats when you claim the blood of Christ. There is no sitten around making judgment calls. These are the subtle differences as I see them.
See Calvinists believe Christs death automatically saves....then the process begins with regeneration etc. When your regenerated you cant help but want it (to believe, to have faith) so thats when you claim the blood of Christ. There is no sitten around making judgment calls. These are the subtle differences as I see them.
Shut up?
That doesnt embarrass you?
No he is misrepresenting it in order to belittle it.
If you have to ask this being on the board as long as you have been, interacting with us, yes you are confused.
If His death "automatically saves" you have contradicted yourself in stating there can even be a hint at any kind of "process". If it is automatic, by definition (those pesky definition, you know
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