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what is the "day of the Lord"???
- Thread starter Greektim
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Just one example:
Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD. Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about. Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim. Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land. But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation. For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion. (Joel 3:9-21)
In what time period in history, and especially now, has Judah been dwelling forever, and in Jerusalem forever and ever, and the Lord has cleansed her, for it is the Lord that dwells in Zion (Jerusalem). I don't see this today. Do you?
Neither have I, or do I see evidence of the other things mentioned in the same passage.
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As I said in the other thread there are 380 references to the Day of the Lord, over 390 if you count the NT. The example I gave is not spiritual or allegorical, it is literal. I believe it will be literally fulfilled, as I believe most of them will be literally fulfilled. I have no reason not to take the Bible literally, unless it indicates otherwise. If it says that the Day of the Lord is to come, then I believe it will. If it uses figurative language to describe it, that is another thing. Who can describe an Almighty God. Of course there is symbolism when describing a God no one has ever seen. But that doesn't take away from the literalness of the promise that he is coming again, and that he is coming to set up his kingdom.
Yes, read the context of Is. 13 it is quite clear. There have been many "Days of the Lord" throughout history.
And there are many that prophecy of one DAY still to come involving a physical appearing of the Lord Jesus Christ.
As I said previously most of the time the phrase "Day of the Lord" is used it is used:
1. in a historical context--has an immediate fulfillment.
2. with a partial but future context, as in the time of Christ (ex. Joel 2:28)
3. with a further future context, as in the Millennial Kingdom (Joel 2:28-32; Acts 2:16-21)
--The one reference referred both to the time of Christ and also looks to a future fulfillment not yet fulfilled.
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freeatlast
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No it is not possible.
Greektim
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So now you are changing? YOu said "most" as if to imply not all. But before you eisegeted your definition of the DotL into Isa. 13. What about Jeremiah's use of DotL for Egypt and others? It has historical references.
A hermeneutical mistake would be to assume that all the "DotL's" are the same or refer to the same future event. I read Arnold Fruchtenbaum on this. It is not a convincing argument.
So are you saying that Joel 2:28ff. was not fulfilled in Acts 2?
convicted1
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Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
These verses above are talking about the "Day of the Lord", and these are talking about the day He was to lay down His life for us.
1 Cor. 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1 Cor. 1:13 For we write none other things unto you, that what ye read or acknowledge; and I trust ye shall acknowledge even to the end;
14 As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are our's in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1 Thess. 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
2 Pet. 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
These above verses concerning the "Day of the Lord" has to do with His second coming. Either way, these two examples of the "Day of the Lord" concerns judgement. Jesus died on the cross that we could be judged righteous for eternal life when we are clothed in His righteousness via His shed blood. The second is when He comes to seperate the Sheep from the goats, and our final judgement is rendered, whether we be "innocent" or "guilty".
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Willis
Did the sun turn into darkness; did the moon turn into blood? Did anything of that similarity happen?
No, that is an event that is still future.
Greektim
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Because you restrict the meaning to literal when it very likely is figural. If "this is that" which was prophesied in Joel 2, then Acts 2 is saying that the sun did turn to darkness and so on. It is figural language saying that an universe shattering event has just happened, the Spirit descended upon the people of God. The problem you must deal with is that Peter says that Joel 2 has been fulfilled in Acts 2.
They see it but they can't accept it. :BangHead:
No, there is more than one part to the prophecy. That is very obvious. Certain elements of that prophecy have not happened yet, and that is what you do now want to admit because you have made up your mind that certain events cannot happen; they have already happened. Therefore they cannot happen according to you. You have already made up your mind. Nothing can change it; not even a proper hermeneutical approach to Scripture.
:laugh::laugh::laugh: My hermeneutical approach is to actually believe what they say. So when an inspired writer says "this is that", I actually believe him.
Your approach seems to run all prophecy statements through Tim LaHaye and ignore what inspired writers actually say.
You have lost the right to claim you take the Bible literally.
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
If forced to I'll look them up but I believe you will find that, in the last days or in the ladder days began with the resurrection of Christ and end with the end of the age at his return which will also be when the sun is darkened and the moon turned to blood and so forth. The Spirit of God began to be poured out on the firstfruits of the Spirit on Pentecost following the resurrection and will be upon all flesh later.
If forced to I'll look them up but I believe you will find that, in the last days or in the ladder days began with the resurrection of Christ and end with the end of the age at his return which will also be when the sun is darkened and the moon turned to blood and so forth. The Spirit of God began to be poured out on the firstfruits of the Spirit on Pentecost following the resurrection and will be upon all flesh later.
Jesus said: "I am the door."
--Do you take the Bible literally? Was he made of wood or metal?
Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life."
Do you take him literally here, or is he being allegorical? Maybe the "way" is some "taoist" influence, a mystical influence that must somehow be energized in the universe. What do you believe?
Literal or figurative?
See Hebrews 1:1-2 for when the inspired writers say the last days occurred.