What is the Law for Us

[Iconoclast]

One sentence:

12 All things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them: for this is the law and the prophets. Mt 7

I see you one sentence and found one also
Jn15:If you keep my COMMANDMENTS[plural]
Ye shall abide in my love;even aside have kept My Fathers Commandments,and abide in His love.

 

[kyredneck]

Since Peter's sermon in Acts 2...Jesus is Lord and Christ.
This has not changed.
People in Ky.who are saved know Him as Lord and Christ.

I see you one sentence and found one also
Jn15:If you keep my COMMANDMENTS[plural]
Ye shall abide in my love;even aside have kept My Fathers Commandments,and abide in His love.

So, "since" Peter's sermon and The Last Supper, the burden of the law and commandments has increased for the NT saint? Is that what your dogma teaches?

 

[Iconoclast]

So, "since" Peter's sermon and The Last Supper, the burden of the law and commandments has increased for the NT saint? Is that what your dogma teaches?

kyred...notice my second sentence said....
THIS HAS NOT CHANGED....meaning no increase, no decrease..He is Lord of all.
Romans14:7-9 seems very clear.
What part of that is perplexing you?
Every knee is going to bow and confess Jesus as Lord.
Believers do it now,unbelievers at the white throne judgment.

 

[kyredneck]

THIS HAS NOT CHANGED....meaning no increase, no decrease.

So, the demands of the law remains the same? No change for the NT saint?

 

[SGO]

Oh, we are criminals alright.
Because our sentences are so long.

Teaching them to observe
all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
and, lo,
I am with you alway,
even unto the end of the world.
Matthew 28:20

 

[Iconoclast]

So, the demands of the law remains the same? No change for the NT saint?

I believe we are under the 10 commandments under Christ not Moses.
The Lord Jesus Christ has satisfied the laws demands for the justification of the elect.:
All non elect persons have violated all ten Commandments. They will be justly judged as law breakers
All ceremonial laws were fulfilled in Christ as Col2:14-3:4.
Some of the judicial laws were done away being temporal but some have either been repeated or modified in the NT.

 

[SGO]

Paul says we are not under the Law but under grace.
So what ever we have over us from the Old Testament it does not have the same kind of authority as it had for Old Testament saints.

for ye are not under the law,
but under grace.
Romans 6:14

 

[percho]

Paul says we are not under the Law but under grace.
So what ever we have over us from the Old Testament it does not have the same kind of authority as it had for Old Testament saints.

for ye are not under the law,
but under grace.
Romans 6:14

Does that literally mean we are no longer under the condemnation of death but, in Christ, are under the grace of life, eternal?

Or, in other words.

And if we died with Christ, we believe that we also shall live (grace) with him, knowing that Christ, having been raised up out of the dead, doth no more die, death over him hath no more lordship; V's 8,9 of chapter 6

 

[SGO]

No.

It means we are no longer under bondage to obey the rule of 1621 + commandments
but under Christ's commands: Love God and love our neighbors as best as we can.
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free.
Plus 1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins,
he is faithful and just
to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us
from all unrighteousness.

 

[kyredneck]

I believe we are under the 10 commandments under Christ not Moses.

What's the difference between being under the 10 commandments under Christ and being under the 10 commandments under Moses?

Some of the judicial laws were done away being temporal but some have either been repeated or modified in the NT.

So, are you saying we're actually under MORE than the ten commandments?

 

[Iconoclast]

What's the difference between being under the 10 commandments under Christ and being under the 10 commandments under Moses?
One obvious difference is the fourth commandment of one day in seven rest is observed on the Lords day....as we look to the new Exodus in Jesus not the old exodus under Moses...1 cor10
More than the ten in a sense that Jesus during the sermon on the mount expanded our understanding and privilege of keeping his commandments as nt saints.In the gospel he expounded the Covenant of redemption and has had the Apostles fully reveal His eternal purpose in Eph3:9-11


So, are you saying we're actually under MORE than the ten commandments?

 

[SGO]

Do we make void the law through faith?
God forbid:
yea, we establish the law.
Romans 3:31

 

[Alcott]

WE establish the law. Interesting, but scriptural.

 

[Iconoclast]

Paul says we are not under the Law but under grace.
So what ever we have over us from the Old Testament it does not have the same kind of authority as it had for Old Testament saints.

for ye are not under the law,
but under grace.
Romans 6:14

This is totally wrong as posted.post 52 would contradict this

 

[SGO]

This is totally wrong as posted.post 52 would contradict this

For the priesthood being changed,
there is made of necessity
a change also of the law.
Hebrews 7:12

The law was weak through the flesh (Romans 8:3).
But (now) to be carnally minded is death;
but to be spiritually minded is life and peace (Romans 8:6)

 

[Iconoclast]

For the priesthood being changed,
there is made of necessity
a change also of the law.
Hebrews 7:12

The law was weak through the flesh (Romans 8:3).
But (now) to be carnally minded is death;
but to be spiritually minded is life and peace (Romans 8:6)

i do not think you are understanding these verses correctly.

 

[SGO]

So what is the change in the Law that Christ made as our eternal priest?
Hebrews 7:12

For the priesthood being changed,
there is made of necessity
a change also of the law.

Still under the Law as we uphold it?

 

[utilyan]

Pineapple on pizza is legal......proof that the law can only do so much.


They need Jesus. I'm tempted to get one just so I can call for help.

 

[Iconoclast]

"SGO,

Paul says we are not under the Law but under grace.

Paul is not saying Christians are lawless.

He is saying the basis of salvation/ justification...is grace-based.
We are not under law-keeping as means of being justified, but rather grace, as Jesus has kept the law on our behalf.
It is law as a principle here.

So whatever we have over us from the Old Testament it does not have the same kind of authority as it had for Old Testament saints.

The ten commandments are the same with abiding authority.

 

[SGO]

I did not say we were lawless, just not under the Law:
for ye are not under the law,
but under grace.
Romans 6:14

We are under the law of Christ:
Love God, love your neighbor, and His commands.

Can you answer these questions with some bible verses?

So what is the change in the Law that Christ made as our eternal priest?

For the priesthood being changed,
there is made of necessity
a change also of the law.
Hebrews 7:12

Sins covered? David had the same in the Old Testament, Psalm 32:1
One High Priest, Christ and priesthood of the believer? 1Peter 2:9

Still under the Law (the ten commandments?) as we uphold it?
Be not entangled with the yoke of bondage (Galatians 5:1) what was that bondage? Ceremonial laws and sacrifices? Bondage?

Since I am wrong straighten me out.