BobRyan
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I am pretty sure you are trying to quote something.
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What is the OFFICIAL Sda Views On Gospel And Ellen White?
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I am pretty sure you are trying to quote something.
EW declared that she had revelation from the Lord that in the Future, the sure mark of the Beast would be those who denied the Sabbath, and worshiped on Sunday, true?
Jesus claimed that he will save forever all of His own, EW claimed he was wrong, whose word should we trust on this matter?
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No, they were 'hung up' [dead in trespasses and sins], in their man-made traditions of their elders, which nullified obedience to God's Law, which is exactly what the 'sunday-tradition', OSAS, eternal torments in hellfire, immortal soul theology, health laws abolished, etc does ...:
Matthew 15:2 KJB - Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Matthew 15:3 KJB - But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Matthew 15:6 KJB - And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mark 7:3 KJB - For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
Mark 7:5 KJB - Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
Mark 7:8 KJB - For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mark 7:9 KJB - And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mark 7:13 KJB - Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Colossians 2:8 KJB - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Matthew 15:3 KJB - But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Matthew 15:6 KJB - And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mark 7:3 KJB - For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
Mark 7:5 KJB - Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
Mark 7:8 KJB - For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mark 7:9 KJB - And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mark 7:13 KJB - Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Colossians 2:8 KJB - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Again, No. They thought salvation was in the mere externals, the animal sacrifices, the blood of bulls, etc, the carnal and worldly types and shadows, apart from the real substance and body, Christ Jesus, who was the entire theme [economy] of the Sanctuary:
Isaiah 1:11 KJB - To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
Isaiah 1:13 KJB - Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Matthew 21:13 KJB - And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Mark 11:17 KJB - And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Luke 19:46 KJB - Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.
John 5:39 KJB - Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Hebrews 9:13 KJB - For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Hebrews 10:4 KJB - For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Isaiah 1:13 KJB - Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Matthew 21:13 KJB - And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Mark 11:17 KJB - And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Luke 19:46 KJB - Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.
John 5:39 KJB - Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Hebrews 9:13 KJB - For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Hebrews 10:4 KJB - For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
A cheap trick, since you have been answered on numerous occasions. Ask it a thousand more times, and the answer provided to you from scripture [KJB] does not change.
... to be continued ...
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... continued ...
If you do not repent of that sin, in truth, yes. There is a difference between presumptuous and ignorant sins though, see Numbers 15. Then see Exodus 32; Leviticus 16 & 23; 1 Chronicles 10; Proverbs 8; Ezekiel 18; Romans 11; Hebrews 6; Matthew 18; 2 Peter 2; Revelation 3 KJB, etc, etc.
Ezekiel 18:24 KJB - But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
If you do not repent steaver, and come into harmony with God's Law, the Ten Commandments, you too, will die. Turn ye, turn ye, for why will ye die ...
I have faithfully warned you. Do not turn your back upon the Holy COmmandment:
2 Peter 2:21 KJB - For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
Exodus 20:8 KJB - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Acts 14:15 KJB - And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
Acts 14:16 KJB - Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
God, even Jesus, is right now sufferring your disobedience and sin [1 John 3:4 KJB], in refusal to obey His Holy Commandment, but I warn you in charity [1 Corinthians 13; Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:17-18 KJB] beware that His suffering of you, is not as Pharaoh who said:Exodus 20:8 KJB - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Acts 14:15 KJB - And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
Acts 14:16 KJB - Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exodus 5:2 KJB - And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go.
Exodus 5:4 KJB - And the king of Egypt said unto them, Wherefore do ye, Moses and Aaron, let the people from their works? get you unto your burdens.
Exodus 5:5 KJB - And Pharaoh said, Behold, the people of the land now are many, and ye make them rest [sabbath] from their burdens.
Exodus 5:9 KJB - Let there more work be laid upon the men, that they may labour therein; and let them not regard vain words.
Exodus 5:17 KJB - But he said, Ye are idle, ye are idle: therefore ye say, Let us go and do sacrifice to the LORD.
God knoweth your end, even as He did also of Judas and Peter, and yet each were given every possibility ... Do not beat back the waves of God's love, as Judas, but repent as Peter ...
The righteousness of Christ is no cloak for living in unrepented sin. Grace is power and time to obey God's law, not license to live in rebellion to God's law. Grace is freedom to live apart from sin, not bondange to remain in sin. God's Grace:
Exodus 20:2 KJB - I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Leads to obedience in responsive love:
Exodus 20:6 KJB - And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
John 14:15 KJB - If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Notice the very next verse:John 14:15 KJB - If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:16 KJB - And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Connect with:
Acts 5:32 KJB - And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
My question to you:
Notice this statement then of Jesus, since being "born again" was commonly known in the OT, and taught by the Rabbis:
John 3:10 KJB - Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
Notice:
1 Samuel 10:6 KJB - And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
1 Samuel 10:7 KJB - And let it be, when these signs are come unto thee, that thou do as occasion serve thee; for God is with thee.
1 Samuel 10:8 KJB - And thou shalt go down before me to Gilgal; and, behold, I will come down unto thee, to offer burnt offerings, and to sacrifice sacrifices of peace offerings: seven days shalt thou tarry, till I come to thee, and shew thee what thou shalt do.
1 Samuel 10:9 KJB - And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: and all those signs came to pass that day.
King Saul was born again of the Holy Ghost, yes or no?
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The ONLY sin mentioned in scripture that would cause one to not have Eternal life, as in even God not able to pardon our sins committed, would be Blasphemy against the Holy spirit, and Christians cannot commit that unpardonable sin, can they?
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Christians indeed may commit the unpardonable sin, which is why we are warned and counselled:
Psalms 19:13 KJB - Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
We were given an example and ensample [1 Corinthians 10 KJB]:
Psalms 78:40 KJB - How oft did they provoke him in the wilderness, and grieve him in the desert!
Psalms 78:41 KJB - Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.
Psalms 78:41 KJB - Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.
They died in the wilderness, through their unbelief, which brought disobedience, and the wages thereof.
The Holy Spirit may indeed be grieved away, and if so, He cannot seal you:
Ephesians 4:30 KJB - And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
We see another example in the Days of Noah [and thus shall it be in our day, the last generation]:
Genesis 6:3 KJB - And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Genesis 6:6 KJB - And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
But who did it start with? The "sons of God" [believers of men] who disobeyed, and followed not after God's commandments ...Genesis 6:6 KJB - And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
We are given an example of born again King Saul:1 Samuel 16:14 KJB - But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
1 Chronicles 10:13 KJB - So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;
etc, etc ...1 Chronicles 10:13 KJB - So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;
Hebrews 6:4 KJB - For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 KJB - And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hebrews 6:6 KJB - If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Hebrews 6:7 KJB - For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Hebrews 6:8 KJB - But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
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All of your passages refer to the lost, but not the saved of the Lord!
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I gave you examples of those who, "... were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, ...". Notice the past tense, thus they had been at one time, "partakers of the Holy Ghost".
Psalms 19 KJB, is King David. He will be in the kingdom, but while on earth, he prayed to not commit the unpardonable sin, the great transgression & the sin with Bathsheba nearly cost him everything.
Psalms 78 KJB, is referring to those people, whom God has saved and delivered from the bondage, see Exodus 20:2 KJB, but with some God was not well pleased, see 1 Corinthians 10; Psalms 78; Numbers 11 KJB, and though they had been delivered, many died by the wrath of God, because of their unbelief, which brought them to disobey God. Recorded for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
Ephesians 4 is directed at Christians, in warning.
Genesis 6 was again given, about believers, who perished because of what they did, and again is recorded so that we, Christians today, may take warning to avoid their fate.
1 Samuel 10 is an explicit case of King Saul, who had partaken of those things mentioned in Hebrews 6, but died a lost man.
Hebrews 6, gives warning to Christians again.
Those in Hebrews were part of the Church, but not ever really saved, as hard times caused their true natures to come out, as they turned back to the OT sacrifice system!
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The OSAS class, always self-define who the saved are, themselves being the primary and first amongst them, they also do the same for the lost.
The saved are those who have received Jesys thru faith, and now have the Holy Spirit indwelling them, correct?
Those lost have none of that, correct?
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Your answer is found in answering this question to you:
Notice this statement then of Jesus, since being "born again" was commonly known in the OT, and taught by the Rabbis:
John 3:10 KJB - Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
Notice:
1 Samuel 10:6 KJB - And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
1 Samuel 10:7 KJB - And let it be, when these signs are come unto thee, that thou do as occasion serve thee; for God is with thee.
1 Samuel 10:8 KJB - And thou shalt go down before me to Gilgal; and, behold, I will come down unto thee, to offer burnt offerings, and to sacrifice sacrifices of peace offerings: seven days shalt thou tarry, till I come to thee, and shew thee what thou shalt do.
1 Samuel 10:9 KJB - And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: and all those signs came to pass that day.
King Saul was born again of the Holy Ghost, yes or no?
The Holy spirit came upoin Saul when he was in battle, or while prophesying, but was not sealed in him as he was in King david!
Saul had the external Spirit working, Davisd the internal one!
BobRyan
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Not true of Seventh-day Adventists -
As Christianity Today noted in Feb 2015 - the Seventh-day Adventist church is the fifth largest Christian denomination in the world -- larger than Methodists, Southern Baptists, Presbyterians etc. One of the fastest growing and largest in the world.
And all of our doctrines tested sola scriptura. Which means simple "name calling", vitriol, acrimony, story-telling put up in opposition to this movement of God - does nothing at all.
BobRyan
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Here is what Jesus claimed in Matthew 18
Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
Notice that "outside" the parable Jesus said --
35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
What does Jesus mean by "the SAME" given the content of his instruction to that point?
Obviously it is the "SAME" fate was being warned about - as we see in the illustration of it.
So your solution to Jesus' teaching in Matthew 18 is to 'look at some other topic and hope Matthew 18 goes away"??
Seriously?
You wild efforts to claim that Ellen White wrote Matthew 18... noted.
Is that the best you have??
Seriously???
Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
Notice that "outside" the parable Jesus said --
35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
What does Jesus mean by "the SAME" given the content of his instruction to that point?
Obviously it is the "SAME" fate was being warned about - as we see in the illustration of it.
So your solution to Jesus' teaching in Matthew 18 is to 'look at some other topic and hope Matthew 18 goes away"??
Seriously?
You wild efforts to claim that Ellen White wrote Matthew 18... noted.
Is that the best you have??
Seriously???
BobRyan
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True.
She also claims the Bible was inspired by God and is the Word of God.
And you know what we find in the Bible?
This.
Here is what Jesus claimed in Matthew 18
Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
Notice that "outside" the parable Jesus said --
35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
What does Jesus mean by "the SAME" given the content of his instruction to that point?
Obviously it is the "SAME" fate was being warned about - as we see in the illustration of it.
So your solution to Jesus' teaching in Matthew 18 is to 'look at some other topic and hope Matthew 18 goes away"??
Seriously?
BobRyan
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And do they listen to the teaching of Jesus?
Yes!
And here is what Jesus taught in Matthew 18
Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
Notice that "outside" the parable Jesus said --
35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
What does Jesus mean by "the SAME" given the content of his instruction to that point?
Obviously it is the "SAME" fate was being warned about - as we see in the illustration of it.
So your solution to Jesus' teaching in Matthew 18 is to 'look at some other topic and hope Matthew 18 goes away"??
Seriously?
Because to not keep the Sabbath after coming to the knowledge of the truth it becomes a willful sin contrary to the teaching of Christ that until heaven and earth pass away not a jot or tittle would pass from the law. Unfortunately then the one would fit the profile of those in Matthew 7 who practice anomia.
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