What is the role of women in the Church?

[Alcott]

What is the role of women in the Church?

Cinnamon... crescent.... poppy seed.... whatever.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Regardless, there seems to be "more to the story" to be told. A single service (if I understand correctly) caused you the leave the church??? How long have you been attending there? Did the pastor indicate that this is a permanent change in doctrine?

The poster might have meant...when they said they "just left the church"...that the service had just ended and he just got home and was now posting.

 

[Oldtimer]

The poster might have meant...when they said they "just left the church"...that the service had just ended and he just got home and was now posting.

Good point!

Thanks.

 

[gb93433]

What is the role of women in the Church?

Cinnamon... crescent.... poppy seed.... whatever.

Isn't it typically the men who are the chefs in the best restaurants?

 

[Salty]

Also reported favorably in the Baptist Bulletin of the [Fundamentalist] GARBC:

Just curious - what issue was this in? (month and year)

What do you mean they reported it favorably?

Reported : YES
Favorable: where is their statement approving it?

 

[annsni]

Here's my main role in the church:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/annsni/church/IMG_2238.jpg

 

[Jerome]

Nov-Dec 1934.

Right across the page is this:

 

[Jerome]

Amy Lee Stockton's musician and associate evangelist was Rita Gould from First Baptist of Long Beach, Calif. (the church later pastored by Larry Chappell and Mark Chappell).

 

[Jerome]

From a presentation by Kevin Bauder of Central Baptist Seminary:

Did You Know?

Baptist fundamentalists used to accept and employ women preachers?
For a detailed discussion, see Janet Hassey, No Time for Silence.
I’ll give you a bit of information about a female preacher whom Hassey does not mention.

Amy Lee Stockton

First student at Northern Baptist Seminary (1909).
Licensed by Wealthy Street Baptist Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
Accompanied by musician Rita Gould, also licensed by Wealthy Street.
Often spoke at Maranatha Conference Ground near Muskegon, Michigan.

Stockton’s Backers Included:

Oliver W. Van Osdel (founder of the GRVBA and the GARBC)
H. H. Savage (Pontiac, Michigan)
T. T. Shields (Toronto, Ontario, Canada)
David Otis Fuller (Grand Rapids, Michigan)
John Marvin Dean (Northern Baptist Seminary)

 

[annsni]

Did you know that there were people who were disobedient in the past as well as the present as well????

:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Jerome]

Today's churches will welcome in, say, Anne Graham Lotz?

Anyway, here's an old ad from 'disobedient' Hamilton Square Baptist Church of San Francisco, featuring Miss Stockton:

 

[annsni]

Today's churches will welcome in, say, Anne Graham Lotz?

Trust me, there is a lot broken in that church. That was just a sign.....

 

[Jerome]

BTW, Hamilton Square is a leading Fundamental Baptist church, and:

doctrinally, we haven't changed a tick since our founding in 1881. I dare say HSBC represents a long line of urban Northern Regular Baptist Churches.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Capitol Hill Baptist Church (SBC, home to 9Marks Ministries and Mark Dever and which according to its website has been "always doctrinally conservative"), welcomed evangelist Amy Lee Stockton to preach to them for many years:

Good for them! Excellant. I aplaud that Baptist Church!

There is hope! :thumbs:

 

[following-Him]

What's the rest of the story?

For your first point, I've seen that happen in our church when there's a man holding the microphone. IMHO, in those cases, it's the individual himself or herself that's the "blame" and not the gender of the person.

For your second point, my first reaction is that the pastor should have either done the "teaching"/"explaination" himself or instructed her on exactly what to say/do. If he didn't and let her wing it, he may have been setting her up for a fall. OTOH, if he did and she didn't follow instructions, the "blame" falls directly upon her.

Another point, FWIW. Applies equally to men and women when they first pick up a microphone. They are nervous and have many different ways to try to cover that. Sometimes "nerves" will cause a person to say or do things they later regret when they have time to reflect.

Did your pastor introduce her and give a reason why she was in that position that day? Sometimes with the Annie Armstrong & Lottie Moon offerings, our services are changed in various ways to recognize these missions. If women take the "lead" during these services, they are actually "assisting" our pastor to recognize this aspect of our ministries.

Or, did your pastor let her take the pulpit without any explaination?

Regardless, there seems to be "more to the story" to be told. A single service (if I understand correctly) caused you the leave the church??? How long have you been attending there? Did the pastor indicate that this is a permanent change in doctrine?

We have only been attending for a few months. The pastor was on holiday but there were elders who could have led the service.

What I want to know is what do you consider to be a woman's role in the church today?

 

[Brads70]

Did you know that there were people who were disobedient in the past as well as the present as well????

:smilewinkgrin:

Oh your good! LOL :smilewinkgrin:

 

[DaChaser1]

The poor woman probably did badly because she feared being hit with a lightning bolt from on high that all of the ones opposed probably hoped would happen.

Its a crying shame that after so many decades and decades and decades and decades this neanderthal mentality STILL exists regarding Gods fully capable women. They are STILL being told...."You just stay in your place, we men are in charge. (and dont you forget it.)

And yet, the conservative evangelical church fully acknowleges that slavery is taught in the scriptures because it was a cultural issue, and we have now done the right thing and done away with it.

And yet...they turn a blind eye to the scriptures and continue to perpetuate this utterly ridiculous "stay in your place" attitude towards our women.

God help us.

women are allowed to do pretty much what the men can do in the church EXCEPT for those positions of spiritual authority such as pastor/Elders, due to that fact that it was NOT due to cultural norms of the time, but to timeless principle of spritual headship in the church!

 

[go2church]

This topic always makes me laugh, cry and pound the desk all at the same time.

Here's hoping spiritual discrimination toward women will one day be an embarrassing footnote of the past.

 

[gb93433]

This topic always makes me laugh, cry and pound the desk all at the same time.

Here's hoping spiritual discrimination toward women will one day be an embarrassing footnote of the past.

I wonder what the attitude was by the men when women sought the right to vote?

 

[Oldtimer]

We have only been attending for a few months. The pastor was on holiday but there were elders who could have led the service.

What I want to know is what do you consider to be a woman's role in the church today?

Whatever role that God calls them to fulfill in His service and for His honor and glory. That viewpoint applies equally to men and women, in any aspect of church life and beyond.

Personally I prefer the traditional role of a pastor being held by a man. That said, my personal preference counts for little or worse, if it means that I'm making a judgement against a person who God has called to a specific place, at a specific time, to do His bidding.

I would not initially reject anyone, who steps in front of the congregation based on physical criteria, such as gender. Their fruits will bear witness for or against them. Sometimes very quickly as the Holy Spirit can cause a sense of unease (for lack of a better term) or a sense of acceptance.

The question that still remains unanswered is why she was asked by the pastor or the elders to perform the tasks mentioned earlier. The reason why I ask is because at our church, any break in the traditional or usual way of handling things is explained to the congregation. Unless it is readily apparent. For example, if the Girl Scouts (or Boy Scouts) play a major role/roles in our worship services one Sunday morning, we recognize their uniforms. Thus automatically understand the reason why they are passing the offering plates instead of the ushers.