What is the Social Justice Movement and Why is it so Bad?

[Reformed]

Something seems terribly wrong here. The video by the ERLC that Jerome put up says social justice ministry is to do things like help or start a food pantry, help women in crisis pregnancies, give free medical care to the poor, and get involved in homeless ministries. Is that it? Almost every church I have ever been to does that kind of stuff.

For you guys to be so united against social justice, I figure I am probably being lied to by the ERLC on what constitutes social justice ministry. If they mean charity, especially to the Brethren in need, well that is just part and parcel of being a Christian according to the New Testament. Am I being lied to by the ERLC?

First, I am not a Southern Baptist, so I cannot comment on the Convention's committees. Second, Social Justice is not about food pantries, medical care, and homeless ministries. Christians have been addressing those issues long before neo-Marxist terminology made its way on the scene.

Social Justice is really Progressivism. It is a form of social change to fit into a defined set of norms. Those norms are derived from an elitist view of society. That is how communism found fertile ground in the minds of European scholars, in the mid-19th century and eventually lead to the Russian revolution. Those views are still here today, although they have been updated for the digital age and wear new clothes. Progressivism has never been about seeking the truth, it has always been about ideological indoctrination. It is done slowly and incrementally. It's most holy institutions are colleges and universities. They send out their drones into the world to infect others. Those that they cannot infect they try to control through threats and intimidation.

The Social Justice Movement found its way into evangelical churches through the weakest link approach. Those churches that no longer preached the Word of God in power and in truth were ripe for false teaching. Nature abhors a vacuum and abandoning biblical teaching creates a void that something is going to fill.

 

[rlvaughn]

Well he says social justice is distributive justice, taking wealth from the "haves" to give to the "have nots." He says social justice is feminist. He says social justice is coerced racial equality. He says social justice is LGBTQA+. He sounds like a liberal college professor, especially quoting Rawls, not a Christian leader. He uses scripture only once, but does not define the term in the Old Testament for justice.

Because justice in the Old Testament and the New is based on the Law of God. God defines right and wrong. We don't. It is good to punish evil and reward good, assuming we go to the revealed standard we have in scripture, not what we make up.

Voddie Baucham is not in favor of the Social Justice Movement. He is merely defining it.

“If the social justice movement went by its actual name, young Christians would not have been lured into it. Because the social justice movement is actually Cultural Marxism. There’s no such thing as ‘social justice,’ people. In fact, in the Bible, justice never has an adjective. There’s justice and there’s injustice, but there’s not different kinds of justice.” -- Voddie Baucham

 

[Revmitchell]

Well he says social justice is distributive justice, taking wealth from the "haves" to give to the "have nots." He says social justice is feminist. He says social justice is coerced racial equality. He says social justice is LGBTQA+. He sounds like a liberal college professor, especially quoting Rawls, not a Christian leader. He uses scripture only once, but does not define the term in the Old Testament for justice.

Because justice in the Old Testament and the New is based on the Law of God. God defines right and wrong. We don't. It is good to punish evil and reward good, assuming we go to the revealed standard we have in scripture, not what we make up.

He is telling you what it is. He doesnt support it. He is very much against it.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

He is telling you what it is. He doesnt support it. He is very much against it.

Thank you, that was unclear from that clip alone. He does an excellent job describing the problem.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Voddie Baucham is not in favor of the Social Justice Movement. He is merely defining it.

Thank you, that was unclear from that clip alone. He does an excellent job describing the problem.

 

[Reformed]

Voddie Baucham is not in favor of the Social Justice Movement. He is merely defining it.

Voddie Bauchman despises the Social Justice Movement.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Voddie Bauchman despises the Social Justice Movement.

Thank you, that was unclear from the clip I watched alone. He does an excellent job describing the problem.

 

[Reformed]

Thank you, that was unclear from the clip I watched alone. He does an excellent job describing the problem.

If you have ever met Voddie Bauchman in person, he is physically intimidating. He is a big guy, and I do not mean fat. I am glad he is a brother in Christ!

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Wait, in a time of liberalizing trends for women preachers, teachers, and pastors; a serious need to call people to holiness of thought, word, and deed as always; a time of pop psychology masquerading as Christian theology and bible study; a time of Charismania becoming mainstream evangelical Christianity; a time of collapsing youth and young adult ministries; a time of repeatedly hateful rhetoric against American Christians from our elites and entertainment; and a time when the health and wealth Gospel is becoming mainstream evangelical Christianity. You guys have to fight the idea that Marx and LGBTQ are wrong to other Christians?

I literally throw up my hands. I had no clue things were this bad in the SBC and similar Christian organizations of churches.

 

[church mouse guy]

Wait, in a time of liberalizing trends for women preachers, teachers, and pastors; a serious need to call people to holiness of thought, word, and deed as always; a time of pop psychology masquerading as Christian theology and bible study; a time of Charismania becoming mainstream evangelical Christianity; a time of collapsing youth and young adult ministries; a time of repeatedly hateful rhetoric against American Christians from our elites and entertainment; and a time when the health and wealth Gospel is becoming mainstream evangelical Christianity. You guys have to fight the idea that Marx and LGBTQ are wrong to other Christians?

I literally throw up my hands. I had no clue things were this bad in the SBC and similar Christian organizations of churches.

Steven, you did open a can of worms, didn't you?

Actually, it is all over the country. It is also very much like the struggle inside the Roman Catholic Church. Brandon Howse, in Tennessee, calls it marxianity. It stems from identity politics, as you can see, but it is an attack on Christianity from the strange alliance of communists and Muslims. It is curious to note that there were a half dozen mosques in Iowa that held caucuses and the Muslims went 100% for the communist Sanders. I think that Martin Luther said it best: "The body they may kill: God’s truth abideth still, His kingdom is forever."

 

[Jerome]

Kathy Ferguson Little, elected last year as the first woman officer of the SBC in nearly four decades:

"People of faith should be at the center of social justice and racial reconciliation — and this includes us."

Kathy Ferguson Litton • My Most Important Reads
• The Beloved Community: How Faith Shapes Social Justice by Charles Mars

 

[Rob_BW]

Look, nobody is saying that we as individuals or operating within our institutions aren't commanded to act with righteousness and justice in our social encounters with others. That is glaringly obvious.

But current Marxism, obeying the earliest writings of its scholars, is seeking to simply divide and conquer. To foment internal division in the goal of revolution. And they've chosen to operate under the term Social Justice, in order to drum up support and obfuscate their intentions.

 

[Revmitchell]

Voddie Bauchman despises the Social Justice Movement.

I just posted that a few posts back

 

[church mouse guy]

Kathy Ferguson Little, elected last year as the first woman officer of the SBC in nearly four decades:

"People of faith should be at the center of social justice and racial reconciliation — and this includes us."

Kathy Ferguson Litton • My Most Important Reads
• The Beloved Community: How Faith Shapes Social Justice by Charles Mars

Jerome, she sounds like part of the problem and not part of the solution. Black Republicans like me and Democrats do not. And I really like black Republicans. It's politics, which is related to liberty and economic issues. Besides, race is a political construct since there is no such thing but it merely is based upon the genetic factor of melanin, right? Blacks were mostly Republicans until the Great Depression when they changed parties in spite of the racism of Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. It was Harry S Truman who integrated the military. Trump is reminding people that Lincoln was a Republican. When I was young, Lincoln was still revered in Indiana.

 

[Reynolds]

So what is the social justice movement and why is it so bad?

I want to understand this subject myself, since you guys would not be so united on this issue for no reason.

Its a blend of Marxism and Communism, masquerading as Christianity.

 

[Reformed]

I just posted that a few posts back

Forgive me. I miss have missed the video you posted. It was not intentional.

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[church mouse guy]

Its a blend of Marxism and Communism, masquerading as Christianity.

And it is allied with Islam. Russell Moore helped a mosque to be built in Tennessee. Greear did a thesis on Jesus and Allah. The Pope signed some hocus pocus papers with some Arab and stated that God is responsible for all the varieties of religions. People are visited by the police for saying anything against any Moslem or even quoting the Quran.

 

[rlvaughn]

Randy Adams, whom a group has announced their intent to nominate for president of the Southern Baptist Convention, takes a shot at the social justice movement.
The Peace of Jesus or the Peaceful Bigotry of Social Theories

This came to mind as I read that some Southern Baptists are embracing aspects of Critical Race Theory (CRT), and other social and political theories, that promise answers to the ongoing problems of racism and racial division. At best, the application of such theories can only produce a “peaceful bigotry.” Peace will not be achieved by embracing theories. Peace is only achieved through Jesus Christ.

The message of the church is unique. The uniqueness of our message is the person of Jesus Christ. He is our peace. He is just.

 

[church mouse guy]

Randy Adams, whom a group has announced their intent to nominate for president of the Southern Baptist Convention, takes a shot at the social justice movement.
The Peace of Jesus or the Peaceful Bigotry of Social Theories

He would be better than Mohler.

 

[Salty]

Here is my take on this ( and I just saw this post a few minutes ago) - As Christians we are to help others! In Fact II Cor 9:13 tells us that we should be "for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;" -- But as Rev Mitchell said in a previous post - SJ makes people victims.
Like to give a couple examples. 1) Many churches have food closets in the area. However, in order to receive food from the area food bank there are many rules you must follow. One rule is that you are not allowed to ask (or require) a recipient to preform any task to receive food. For example if church members were bringing boxes of food in, you are not permitted to ask a recipient to hold the door open. One task actually stated in the rules is that you can not even ask them to answer the telephone!
2) I had a couple in our church that seemed to have some financial difficulties , Mrs. Salty said she wanted to help them out, and was willing to spend up to $100 while taking Mrs Jones grocery shopping. Well, our first order of business was to sit down with them and review their financial status. They prepared a list of all their monthly bills. The Very first thing on the list - was $300 for - get this - cigarettes!. Now, they would buy them on the Indian reservation - so without taxes - they would get them about 6-8 cartons! Then farther down the list was a subscription for P1ayb0y. There were also some additional wants that easily could have been eliminated. Starting with the cigarettes - they were not willing to reduce that by even one carton. After looking at the entire list- Mrs. Salty look at me and nodded her -"Nope - no grocery shopping" Do we want to help - YES - but there is also responsibility on the part of the those needing assistance
So exactly what does it mean by helping someone - just giving things to people - ends up enabling them to continue to be recipients, without responsibility. Real help means assisting others to improve themselves. Its the old - "Give a man a fish - he eats for a day - teach him HOW to fish and he will eat for a life time!
Now, my plan - as our church gets bigger - is that when a family needs financial assistance - the Deacon (and wife) will sit down and overview the family. Mr. Deacon will look in the fridge - if all there is a case of beer and no milk for the baby - we have an ideal what the situation is. Mrs. Deacon will show Mrs Smith - that they dont need to buy a steak ( as nice as that might be, but would only last for one meal) but buy with the same amount of money extra hamburger - and with hamburger helper, and ect - that will last up to a week. EDUCATION is the key.

Bottom line - RESPONSIBILITY!

One last thing - lets suppose a church family has their house destroyed by fire - thats a whole other story......