What is the time of Jacob’s trouble?

[Covenanter]

What is your take on Jeremiah 30 8-9?

"by which they were kept in bondage, both with respect to civil and religious things; but now he that led into captivity shall go into captivity himself, ( Revelation 13:10 ) ; and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him;
this shows that this prophecy cannot be understood of deliverance from the Babylonish captivity; because, after this, strangers did serve themselves of the Jews, and they were servants unto them; as to the Persians, and Grecians, and especially the Romans"

This is part of John Gills explanation... Im wondering your opinion so I didn't include his conclusion.

Sorry for the delay in replying.

We need to understand prophecy in terms of the whole sweep of prophecy, which centres on the incarnation of the Son of God, Son of David, Seed of Abraham, Seed of the woman, our LORD & Saviour Jesus Christ.

The Covenant with Abraham, the Old Covenant (Sinai), the nation of Israel, the promised Land, the Davidic Kingdom, the tabernacle & temple with priesthood & sacrifices were all signs & pointers to God's purpose & plan of redemption. The great & enduring continuum is Christ himself & the restoration of all creation in the NH&NE.

Specific prophecies such as "the time of Jacob's trouble" show God dealing with his people in many different situations. Likewise the time in Egypt & the Passover deliverance. The whole Old Covenant situation shows God dealing with the people of Israel as they alternated between obedience & unbelief, with the faithful remnant living by faith through times of blessing & adversity. (Hab. 2)

The great prophecy is Gabriel's 70 weeks prophecy, which teaches us that the Messiah will appear after 69 weeks (of years) & finish the work of redemption of God's people in the midst of the 70th week. After that the city, the sanctuary with sacrifices & offerings have no significance. The OC will be obsolete & the NC will stand supreme. The AD 70 destruction will totally end the OC.

The 35 years from Pentecost to the destruction, & the 2,000 years so far of the Gospel "last days" (Acts 2) show God's longsuffering with sinful man while giving us time for repentance. (2 Peter 3) I believe Revelation reals with the period leading up the the destruction. The opening verses of the prophecy make it clear that the events are "at hand" rather than for a supposed fantastically complex "end of end times" scenario.

I haven't read John Gill, but as I understand what I have read of non-dispy writers, the general view of prophecy is of the events leading up to the return of Christ, & that Revelation is dealing with repeated events throughout the present "millennium." We should learn from them in living through the various events & tribulations - we have "ears to hear" - but we should not treat them as future "end times" prophecy. Prophecy effectively finished with the destruction.

We are now living in a "watch & pray" situation, not knowing when our Lord will return. See the closing verses of Mat. 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 & 2 Peter 3.

 

[Hobie]

Sorry for the delay in replying.

We need to understand prophecy in terms of the whole sweep of prophecy, which centres on the incarnation of the Son of God, Son of David, Seed of Abraham, Seed of the woman, our LORD & Saviour Jesus Christ.

The Covenant with Abraham, the Old Covenant (Sinai), the nation of Israel, the promised Land, the Davidic Kingdom, the tabernacle & temple with priesthood & sacrifices were all signs & pointers to God's purpose & plan of redemption. The great & enduring continuum is Christ himself & the restoration of all creation in the NH&NE.

Specific prophecies such as "the time of Jacob's trouble" show God dealing with his people in many different situations. Likewise the time in Egypt & the Passover deliverance. The whole Old Covenant situation shows God dealing with the people of Israel as they alternated between obedience & unbelief, with the faithful remnant living by faith through times of blessing & adversity. (Hab. 2)

The great prophecy is Gabriel's 70 weeks prophecy, which teaches us that the Messiah will appear after 69 weeks (of years) & finish the work of redemption of God's people in the midst of the 70th week. After that the city, the sanctuary with sacrifices & offerings have no significance. The OC will be obsolete & the NC will stand supreme. The AD 70 destruction will totally end the OC.

The 35 years from Pentecost to the destruction, & the 2,000 years so far of the Gospel "last days" (Acts 2) show God's longsuffering with sinful man while giving us time for repentance. (2 Peter 3) I believe Revelation reals with the period leading up the the destruction. The opening verses of the prophecy make it clear that the events are "at hand" rather than for a supposed fantastically complex "end of end times" scenario.

I haven't read John Gill, but as I understand what I have read of non-dispy writers, the general view of prophecy is of the events leading up to the return of Christ, & that Revelation is dealing with repeated events throughout the present "millennium." We should learn from them in living through the various events & tribulations - we have "ears to hear" - but we should not treat them as future "end times" prophecy. Prophecy effectively finished with the destruction.

We are now living in a "watch & pray" situation, not knowing when our Lord will return. See the closing verses of Mat. 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 & 2 Peter 3.

Amen..

 

[timtofly]

Sorry for the delay in replying.

We need to understand prophecy in terms of the whole sweep of prophecy, which centres on the incarnation of the Son of God, Son of David, Seed of Abraham, Seed of the woman, our LORD & Saviour Jesus Christ.

The Covenant with Abraham, the Old Covenant (Sinai), the nation of Israel, the promised Land, the Davidic Kingdom, the tabernacle & temple with priesthood & sacrifices were all signs & pointers to God's purpose & plan of redemption. The great & enduring continuum is Christ himself & the restoration of all creation in the NH&NE.

Specific prophecies such as "the time of Jacob's trouble" show God dealing with his people in many different situations. Likewise the time in Egypt & the Passover deliverance. The whole Old Covenant situation shows God dealing with the people of Israel as they alternated between obedience & unbelief, with the faithful remnant living by faith through times of blessing & adversity. (Hab. 2)

The great prophecy is Gabriel's 70 weeks prophecy, which teaches us that the Messiah will appear after 69 weeks (of years) & finish the work of redemption of God's people in the midst of the 70th week. After that the city, the sanctuary with sacrifices & offerings have no significance. The OC will be obsolete & the NC will stand supreme. The AD 70 destruction will totally end the OC.

The 35 years from Pentecost to the destruction, & the 2,000 years so far of the Gospel "last days" (Acts 2) show God's longsuffering with sinful man while giving us time for repentance. (2 Peter 3) I believe Revelation reals with the period leading up the the destruction. The opening verses of the prophecy make it clear that the events are "at hand" rather than for a supposed fantastically complex "end of end times" scenario.

I haven't read John Gill, but as I understand what I have read of non-dispy writers, the general view of prophecy is of the events leading up to the return of Christ, & that Revelation is dealing with repeated events throughout the present "millennium." We should learn from them in living through the various events & tribulations - we have "ears to hear" - but we should not treat them as future "end times" prophecy. Prophecy effectively finished with the destruction.

We are now living in a "watch & pray" situation, not knowing when our Lord will return. See the closing verses of Mat. 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 & 2 Peter 3.

Revelation is a map of the last 7 years. Very ambiguous and putting one's head in a sand dune while looking out on the sea of humanity, to say otherwise. There have been 2 millenia since Christ. Which one are you trying to assign unfulfilled prophecy to? Christ ended the OC and started the NC in one second on the cross with the Atonement. One age ended and the next one began. It was on April 14th, AD 30. The easiest and Christ centered way to start and end an Age. Yes, one can do math with OT prophets, human understanding outside of the Bible, etc. But the best and most concise is with Jesus Christ Himself. Revelation introduces the Lamb, Jesus Christ first, after addressing the 7 churches, his epistle was being sent to. All 7 churches received each an exact copy as the other 6. Each church saw what the other 6 churches saw in regards to the verses admonishing each church. No one church could excuse themselves from not knowing about the condition of all 7 equally. That each church would represent a section of a 2000 year period was God’s plan, because God planned the church to finish the last 2000 years of Adam's 6000 year curse of labor as a punishment. Work changed from being easy, to being toil and sweat of the brow. The exact place the 666 branded curse will appear when humans go spoiled beyond the 6000 year expiration date. The best option then is to cut one's head off, before the mark appears. How can you apply this to anything in the last 2000 years? Even God on the throne in the 6th seal, where everyone on earth can see God cannot be applied to any event in the last 2000 years.

Really people???? Revelation is the final road map, and 2 seals have been opened since last fall. How far down this road map do we dare travel??? Can we be wise virgins and prepared or are we unwise playing on the beach, heads in the sand, with Satan, Revelation 12:18??
18 Then the dragon stood on the seashore;

Can we fill in the missing pieces from the prophets to make the map more interesting, or should we be reaping souls for Jesus Christ, lest they parish themselves?

 

[Hobie]

Revelation is a map of the last 7 years. Very ambiguous and putting one's head in a sand dune while looking out on the sea of humanity, to say otherwise. There have been 2 millenia since Christ. Which one are you trying to assign unfulfilled prophecy to? Christ ended the OC and started the NC in one second on the cross with the Atonement. One age ended and the next one began. It was on April 14th, AD 30. The easiest and Christ centered way to start and end an Age. Yes, one can do math with OT prophets, human understanding outside of the Bible, etc. But the best and most concise is with Jesus Christ Himself. Revelation introduces the Lamb, Jesus Christ first, after addressing the 7 churches, his epistle was being sent to. All 7 churches received each an exact copy as the other 6. Each church saw what the other 6 churches saw in regards to the verses admonishing each church. No one church could excuse themselves from not knowing about the condition of all 7 equally. That each church would represent a section of a 2000 year period was God’s plan, because God planned the church to finish the last 2000 years of Adam's 6000 year curse of labor as a punishment. Work changed from being easy, to being toil and sweat of the brow. The exact place the 666 branded curse will appear when humans go spoiled beyond the 6000 year expiration date. The best option then is to cut one's head off, before the mark appears. How can you apply this to anything in the last 2000 years? Even God on the throne in the 6th seal, where everyone on earth can see God cannot be applied to any event in the last 2000 years.

Really people???? Revelation is the final road map, and 2 seals have been opened since last fall. How far down this road map do we dare travel??? Can we be wise virgins and prepared or are we unwise playing on the beach, heads in the sand, with Satan, Revelation 12:18??
18 Then the dragon stood on the seashore;

Can we fill in the missing pieces from the prophets to make the map more interesting, or should we be reaping souls for Jesus Christ, lest they parish themselves?

Well if you are in the 7 years as you say, then someone is not raptured and has some embarrassing reassessing to do. But its just a bad interpretation by people who incorrectly want to put this last week of the 70 at the end times. There is no biblical reason to do so and it breaks the block of time Gabriel started the prophecy with.

If you look will you find the antichrist mentioned anywhere in Daniel 9:24-27? No. The "he" mentioned in verse 27 is Christ, not Antichrist, for Christ is the focus of the whole prophecy.There is no 7-year Tribulation at the end of the world. That teaching comes from a huge mistake resulting in reading much more into a verse than what is actually there. There will be tribulation at the end but it wont be 7 years long for it falls outside of the Daniel 9 prophecy.

 

[Oseas3]

Revelation is a map of the last 7 years. Very ambiguous and putting one's head in a sand dune while looking out on the sea of humanity, to say otherwise. There have been 2 millenia since Christ. Which one are you trying to assign unfulfilled prophecy to? Christ ended the OC and started the NC in one second on the cross with the Atonement. One age ended and the next one began. It was on April 14th, AD 30. The easiest and Christ centered way to start and end an Age. Yes, one can do math with OT prophets, human understanding outside of the Bible, etc. But the best and most concise is with Jesus Christ Himself.

Praise be God.

I enjoyed reading your comment above bringing so marvellous interpretations, inspired by the Spirit of God. Aleluia! And here goes what I enlight of your comment above: "One age ended and the next one began. It was on April 14th, AD 30. The easiest and Christ centered way to start and end an Age. Yes, one can do math with OT prophets, human understanding outside of the Bible, etc. But the best and most concise is with Jesus Christ Himself."

That said, I would like to post here a table of times, from Adam until our days, as a parameter by approachment indicating in what time we are living today, if compared with Scriptures. I have meditated a lot to understand about midnight in God's watch, my point is that when one millennium ended and the next began it is midnight on God's watch. If this is correct, then in my view we are already within the last Day, and living in the beginning of the seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day.

Here goes the Table of times from Adam to the present time.

Based in the Word of God, the source of the truth, on God's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years (Psalm 90:4; II Pet. 3:8; Heb. 4:4) so MANKIND would go through six God Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).

In accord biblical Chronology, we can number our days, beginning in Genesis chapter 5, as follow::
Adam lived …...................................................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived ........................................................105 yrs and begat Enosh;
Enosh lived .......................................................90 yrs and begat Kenan;
Kenan lived........................................................70 yrs and begat Mahalalel;
Mahalalel lived ..................................................65 yrs and begat Jared;
Jared lived .......................................................162 yrs and begat Enoch;
Enoch lived ........................................................65 yrs and begat Methuselah;
Methuselah lived..............................................187 yrs and begat Lamech;
Lamech lived ....................................................182 yrs and begat Noah;
From Noah´s birth until the Flood..................600 yrs.
Total of yrs from Adam to the Flood =........1,656 yrs.

I work with the Word of God. Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of God, it is not of human theories or human speculations. Let us study the times until our days not by human speculations, but by the Word of God. So, see the table below:

PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES ----------------------- DURATION

I - From Adam to the Flood---------------------------1,656 years (as was showed above)
II - From the Flood to Abraham-----------------------.427 years
III - From Abraham to Exodus--------------------------430 years-Gal.3:17
IV - From Exodus to king Saul ------------------------ 396 years
V - From Saul to the fall of Jerusalem -------------. 508 years
VI - From the fall of Jerusalem to Jesus ----------- 587 years
Thus, from Adam to the 1st coming of Jesus---4,004 years

From Jesus to our days (Christian Calendar)--. 2,020 years
Total from Adam to our days ------------------------ 6,024 years

Jesus -the Greater Light-Genesis 1:v.16- came in the fourth Day or around 4,000 years after the beginning of creation. From JESUS (fourth Day) until our days, have passed more TWO DAYS or 2.000 years (one Day with the Lord is as a thousand years), totalizing 6 complete Days or six complete milleniums,or around 6.000 years, more precisely 6,020 years, according Christian Calendar pointing the year 2.020.

So, we have entered in the beginning of the FIRST CENTURY of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Millennium of Vengeance.

The world of Devil is already Judged and Condemned, and now, in this seventh and last millennium, it will be punished with strong punishments, there will be only and only punishments in this last Day, the Day of the Lord, King of kings and LORD of lords.

And God Father has already entered in His rest, as He had planned in the beginning of His works, but He is not sleeping, of course, and JESUS assume the government of the Universe. JESUS is now sat on His Throne, the Judgment Seat of Christ, to Judge all nations, taking VENGEANCE on them that know not God, and that obey not His gospel, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the Glory of His Power. 2Thes.1:v.7-13

The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever. (Rev.11:15) verse 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth. It's it. The plague and a severe punishment is running in accord Matth.24:v.3&7

May our LORD God bless and keep us, and give us His protection - until the day 1.335 - Dan.12:v.12

PS.
Another point I would like to comment is about the 7 churches of Asia, but I will do in the next post just below.

 

[Oseas3]

Revelation introduces the Lamb, Jesus Christ first, after addressing the 7 churches, his epistle was being sent to. All 7 churches received each an exact copy as the other 6. Each church saw what the other 6 churches saw in regards to the verses admonishing each church. No one church could excuse themselves from not knowing about the condition of all 7 equally. That each church would represent a section of a 2000 year period was God’s plan, because God planned the church to finish the last 2000 years of Adam's 6000 year curse of labor as a punishment. Work changed from being easy, to being toil and sweat of the brow. The exact place the 666 branded curse will appear when humans go spoiled beyond the 6000 year expiration date.

The Scripture above reveals the spiritual condition of each one of the seven angels of the 7 Churches of Asia, likewise the Churches of this END of the times, when John was caught up to the present time, that is the Lord's Day or seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium.

Revelation 1:v.1

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it BY HIS ANGEL unto his servant John:

John was in Patmos and the angel of the LORD went to Patmos to give unto John the message that had received from JESUS to reveal unto John, as follow:

Rev.1:v.9-13&19
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the Word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice-voice of the angel of the Lord, in fact an archangel-, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one LIKE UNTO THE SON OF MAN, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

19 Write the things which thou have seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
What was hapenning with the angels of the Churches around the year 95AD? And is happening today too?

Here goes:
Church of Ephesus - the angel left his first love and was fallen - And the Church?

1 - Conditions of the angel of the church of Ephesus: Rev. 2:4-5 - 4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Church of Pergamos - the angel was tolerant with bad things-idolatry, fornications

2 - Conditions of the angel of the church of Pergamos - Rev. 2:14-16 - 14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. 15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. 16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Church of Thyatira - the angel was tolerant with fornications and with the devilish Jezabel's doctines of idolatries and more fornications

3 - Conditions of the angel of the church of Thyatira - Rev.2: 20-21 - 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Church of Sardis - the angel was spiritually dead - And what to say about the Church?

4 - Conditions of the angel of the angel of Sardis - Rev.3:1-3 - And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. (The dead praise not the Lord, ...(Psalms 115:v.17) 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Church of Laodiceah - the angel was wretched, miserable, poor, BLIND and naaked. And the Church?

5 - Conditions of the angel of the church of Laodiceah - Rev.3:16-17 - 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and BLIND, and naked: (if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.)

Churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia
6 - About the Churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia, there was not problems with the angels of them, but whith the members and admirers of the Jews or inhabitants of Israel:

Rev. 2:v.9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Rev. 3:9 - Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

All these things above are happening in the Churches of the present time, the time of Apocalypse, where many members or almost all members are admirers of the Jews in general, and discern not them which are liars and are of the synagogue of Satan.

Brethren, notice that until this moment described in Revelation chapters 1 to 3 the apostle John had not yet been into heaven, but on the Lord's Day only, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium (Rev.1:v.10). John was caught up again from the Lord's Day unto heaven -third heaven- as is written in Revelation 4:v.1.

In resume, the same conditions of the angels of the seven Churches of Asia are the same conditions of the angels of the Churches of today, maybe very worse than them. Their punishments are also revealed in the Word of God, as is written in the prophet Ezekiel 34:1-31.

 

[timtofly]

Well if you are in the 7 years as you say, then someone is not raptured and has some embarrassing reassessing to do. But its just a bad interpretation by people who incorrectly want to put this last week of the 70 at the end times. There is no biblical reason to do so and it breaks the block of time Gabriel started the prophecy with.

If you look will you find the antichrist mentioned anywhere in Daniel 9:24-27? No. The "he" mentioned in verse 27 is Christ, not Antichrist, for Christ is the focus of the whole prophecy.There is no 7-year Tribulation at the end of the world. That teaching comes from a huge mistake resulting in reading much more into a verse than what is actually there. There will be tribulation at the end but it wont be 7 years long for it falls outside of the Daniel 9 prophecy.

I agree that it is not 7 years, but for a different reason. We do know or should, because Revelation 12 and 13 describe a 3.5 year event. 1260 days, 42 months, 3.5 years are all the same 3.5 year time frame. If the whole world repented today, and turned to God, it would be over tomorrow. If this 3.5 year period given to Satan cuts a specific time in half, what time frame is cut in half? 7 days or 7 years, or both? Daniel says there is a period of 7's. That last week of sevens has no historical record. God says it is happening now, and we need to be prepared.

Well the church cannot leave until the 6th seal. Yes, some if not all will find out what they were taught was wrong. There is no Antichrist, never will be. Another shock to most of the church. God has a sense of humor, and laughter is good medicine. This is clearly explained in Revelation. Sure all interpret the verses wrong. Start a rumor and sooner or later all will think it is the truth. That is how cults and religions start. Go figure that one out, as there are dozens of examples. Wait till every one finds out we live in a cube and there is no 14 billion light year old universe. There is no solar system. Talk about blowing people's minds. I get the feeling that seeing God on the throne, will still not dispell the fact the universe does not exist. They will just wait till God moves out of the way, and think it will just pop back into reality.

 

[timtofly]

That said, I would like to post here a table of times, from Adam until our days, as a parameter by approachment indicating in what time we are living today, if compared with Scriptures.

Here is another Lord's Day Genesis 2:4
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth, when they were created, in the day, that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,"

The word generations means multiple families one after another with the only time frame of "in the day, that the Lord made" "the earth and heavens multiply after their kind." Now one may argue the "multiply after their kind" is adding to Scripture. It is not. It is describing generations. That is how the verse started out. Generations implies multiply periods of offspring and in the time frame of a day of the Lord.

This is verse 3:

3 God blessed the seventh day and separated it as holy; because on that day God rested from all his work which he had created, so that it itself could produce.

God stopped creating, so the generations in verse 4 could keep on going.

This is a Sunday, the first day of the week. God created light on day one, the first Sunday. On Monday God separated the waters. On Tuesday dry land appeared and plant life. In the 3000th time frame was also the Flood and dry land came out of the waters changed again. Wednesday the middle of the week. The day Jesus would die, lights in the sky. Also the stars, the angels were created. During the 4000th time frame, Israel was proclaimed God’s chosen people. On Thursday fish and sea life. On Friday land animals and Man in the image of God. The beginning of Friday, the 5000th time frame, Jesus was born and died on the Cross. Saturday, God rested, but the generations of creation went on for 1000 years, a Lord's Day. On Sunday, the 8th day, God created the Garden of Eden. He took a man 1000 years old and called him Adam and placed him in the Garden. Adam lived 30 years in the Garden and then the fall. Holding to Isaiah and the Lord's Day criteria, fallen Adam lived 100 years and in sin was not cursed as one who died, but at 100 years after the fall, God blessed him with the birth of Seth. Seth born 100 years after the fall, only in the image of fallen Adam. Thus all of sinful mankind would be of Seth, with Adam and Eve considered the parents of all humanity today. The 8000th time frame is Eden restored.

From the fall, you have to subtract 30 years. It seems that Adam at age 30 to Jesus at 33, should be 4000 years. Jesus was 33 at 30AD, because his birth was around 4 BC. Thus from the fall, Adam being 30 to 30AD should be the points of the 4000 years. Alledgedly the fall of Jericho should be 1400 years before 30AD. From the call of Abraham and his name change to Jericho should be 600 years. From the fall until Abraham is called out of Ur, should be 2000 years.

From the cross in AD 30 plus 2000 years is 2030. If you take 7 years Daniel's 70th week. Then add 3.5 years of Satan's control there is 10.5 years. Subtract 10.5 years from April of 2030, is the end of October 2019.

Why is it important for there to be a 1000 year period before the fall, a first Sunday? Because 8000 years is the finite age of this spacetime reality. An 8 day week. In fact in Jesus day, the Romans themselves had an 8 day week. Two days off, 6 work days, and then 2 days off then 6 work days. The week was basically the same, but the calendar looked different. The battle of Jericho was an 8 day event starting on Sunday. For 6 days they marched around 1 time. They rested on Saturday to obey the command of remembering the Sabbath. Then on Sunday the nations were defeated and Israel was a nation. They were supposed to rule the world until the Cross, but failed. That is why Revelation has 3 sets of Judgments. The week of the Cross in 30AD was an 8 day event that ended the rule of Israel and the Church age began. The Second Coming is an 8 day event to end the church age, and Adam's 6000 years of punishment. Then the Last Sunday of the Lord, the last 1000 years on this earth.

The seals are for the church. The Trumpets are for Israel. The Thunderings are for the nations. Christ sealed the church and OT saints on the cross. Yeshua used trumpets to defeat the nations. Noah's Flood was a thundering event that changed the way the old world looked. The Thunderings more than likely may put it back just like it was before the Flood. The Nations, Sons of God, before the Flood had about 1500 years before God judged them. Then about 500 years until Abraham. But Abraham again, like Adam, listened to his wife, and had Ishmael. Thus 600 years were taken from Israel.

If we can accept and understand the first 1000 perfect generations before Adam disobeyed at age 30, this reality would make more sense, and a young earth scenario with a 1000 perfect years would mess up carbon dating, and all other dating for that matter. But God allowed Satan to deceive the whole world, according to 2 Thessalonians 2, and Paul said Satan was already at work. More than 500 years at work preparing the Greeks for western science to be born.

 

[Hobie]

I agree that it is not 7 years, but for a different reason. We do know or should, because Revelation 12 and 13 describe a 3.5 year event. 1260 days, 42 months, 3.5 years are all the same 3.5 year time frame. If the whole world repented today, and turned to God, it would be over tomorrow. If this 3.5 year period given to Satan cuts a specific time in half, what time frame is cut in half? 7 days or 7 years, or both? Daniel says there is a period of 7's. That last week of sevens has no historical record. God says it is happening now, and we need to be prepared.

Well the church cannot leave until the 6th seal. Yes, some if not all will find out what they were taught was wrong. There is no Antichrist, never will be. Another shock to most of the church. God has a sense of humor, and laughter is good medicine. This is clearly explained in Revelation. Sure all interpret the verses wrong. Start a rumor and sooner or later all will think it is the truth. That is how cults and religions start. Go figure that one out, as there are dozens of examples. Wait till every one finds out we live in a cube and there is no 14 billion light year old universe. There is no solar system. Talk about blowing people's minds. I get the feeling that seeing God on the throne, will still not dispell the fact the universe does not exist. They will just wait till God moves out of the way, and think it will just pop back into reality.

Need to go by what the Bible says, not private interpretation.

 

[timtofly]

Need to go by what the Bible says, not private interpretation.

That is what the Bible says. What is the difference between private and public interpretation? If you think that Muhammed, Joseph Smith, or even EW, did not have private interpretation, you would be wrong. If you think those Bible teachers were right because the public accepted some truth and a ton of lies, and that is Biblical, you are wrong. My post are not about interpretation. They are a witness to the state of affairs we call the church. Either you are for God or against God. It does not matter who's earthly teachings one follows, because they all are private interpretations. You just get to pick and choose whose private interpretation suits your own private fancy. If that were not the case, you would have used Scripture to point out error. Instead you just said that is your opinion under the guise of pointing out private interpretation. Show me one modern teacher, who does not get their belief from their private personal experiences. Angels do not count, unless the Angel appeared to at least 12 people in a group setting. Jesus set the bar high.

I am not here to particularly point out any one's false doctrine or teaching. Yes my post are found disagreeable by most. Only the Holy Spirit can work in the souls of humans. How does one prepare folks for the Second Coming if all that has been taught goes against Scripture and all the private interpretations of the last 200 years? Use Scripture and we will see if there is a different interpretation that does not violate other Scripture and private interpretation can be cleared up. If one is mired in false doctrine, and human theology, I have my doubts they will be corrected unless they obey the Holy Spirit. There is no way I know man's heart and mind, unless they post their true thoughts, instead of using verses out of context to rebuke my post. Then it may just be my word against their word. I really have nothing personal to loose or gain in the matter. Unfortunately I am just human, and can be wrong. It is not on purpose though.

 

[Covenanter]

Revelation is a map of the last 7 years. Very ambiguous and putting one's head in a sand dune while looking out on the sea of humanity, to say otherwise.

If you start reading Revelation at the beginning, it is clear that it is for its first readers, as -

1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.​

Also as Mat. 24:30 is quoted in v. 7, Jesus coming in clouds at the AD 70 destruction, the vision is before AD 70. Note that "peoples of the earth" could & should(?) read "tribes of the land." Certainly the rebellious tribes of Israel, who pierced their Messiah, would mourn as city & temple were destroyed.

Note also that Rev. 11 describes the destruction of Jerusalem -

8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified.​

There have been 2 millenia since Christ. Which one are you trying to assign unfulfilled prophecy to?

And God only owns the cattle on 1,000 hills, not all the other hills .... The millennium of Rev. 20 is the present Gospel age, during which the souls of martyrs & other dead believers live & reign in heaven awaiting the second resurrection at Jesus coming for resurrection, judgment & the NH&NE. The first & general resurrections are described in John 5. The first resurrection is when we are born again.

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Christ ended the OC and started the NC in one second on the cross with the Atonement. One age ended and the next one began. It was on April 14th, AD 30. The easiest and Christ centered way to start and end an Age. Yes, one can do math with OT prophets, human understanding outside of the Bible, etc. But the best and most concise is with Jesus Christ Himself.

I agree the end of the OC & beginning of the NC. I'm not bothered with your maths.

There was an overlap, while the temple remained. The Apostles met there & preached there to the Jews & Proselytes who gathered there for worship. Jesus in his Olivet prophecy gave the Apostles signs of when to flee the city, & also "signs" that were not specific but would simply take place - wars, earthquakes, famines, etc.

Revelation introduces the Lamb, Jesus Christ first, after addressing the 7 churches, his epistle was being sent to. All 7 churches received each an exact copy as the other 6. Each church saw what the other 6 churches saw in regards to the verses admonishing each church. No one church could excuse themselves from not knowing about the condition of all 7 equally.

I agree so far.

That each church would represent a section of a 2000 year period was God’s plan, because God planned the church to finish the last 2000 years of Adam's 6000 year curse of labor as a punishment. Work changed from being easy, to being toil and sweat of the brow. The exact place the 666 branded curse will appear when humans go spoiled beyond the 6000 year expiration date. The best option then is to cut one's head off, before the mark appears. How can you apply this to anything in the last 2000 years? Even God on the throne in the 6th seal, where everyone on earth can see God cannot be applied to any event in the last 2000 years.

Now you are getting fanciful.

Really people???? Revelation is the final road map, and 2 seals have been opened since last fall. How far down this road map do we dare travel??? Can we be wise virgins and prepared or are we unwise playing on the beach, heads in the sand, with Satan, Revelation 12:18??
18 Then the dragon stood on the seashore;

Can we fill in the missing pieces from the prophets to make the map more interesting, or should we be reaping souls for Jesus Christ, lest they parish themselves?

As Revelation was given before AD 70, we can look in Jesus' prophecies for related events, as well as events prophesied by the Apostles. I'll just take one -

Rev. 6:15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”

Luke 23:27 A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. 28 Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ 30 Then
“ ‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!” ’
31 For if people do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?”

Hosea 10:8 The high places of wickedness will be destroyed— it is the sin of Israel. Thorns and thistles will grow up and cover their altars. Then they will say to the mountains, “Cover us!” and to the hills, “Fall on us!”

Isaiah 2:19 People will flee to caves in the rocks
and to holes in the ground
from the fearful presence of the LORD
and the splendor of his majesty,
when he rises to shake the earth. ["earth" is Gk ge, often translated "land" of Israel.]​

Note "..... weep for yourselves and for your children." That dreadful judgment would take place in their lifetime, at the AD 70 destruction, "this generation" according to Mat. 24.

The prophecy of Revelation does not stand alone, to be misinterpreted, but it is included within Scripture to be interpreted by reference to related Scripture.

 

[Yeshua1]

If you start reading Revelation at the beginning, it is clear that it is for its first readers, as -

1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.​

Also as Mat. 24:30 is quoted in v. 7, Jesus coming in clouds at the AD 70 destruction, the vision is before AD 70. Note that "peoples of the earth" could & should(?) read "tribes of the land." Certainly the rebellious tribes of Israel, who pierced their Messiah, would mourn as city & temple were destroyed.

Note also that Rev. 11 describes the destruction of Jerusalem -

8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified.​

And God only owns the cattle on 1,000 hills, not all the other hills .... The millennium of Rev. 20 is the present Gospel age, during which the souls of martyrs & other dead believers live & reign in heaven awaiting the second resurrection at Jesus coming for resurrection, judgment & the NH&NE. The first & general resurrections are described in John 5. The first resurrection is when we are born again.

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I agree the end of the OC & beginning of the NC. I'm not bothered with your maths.

There was an overlap, while the temple remained. The Apostles met there & preached there to the Jews & Proselytes who gathered there for worship. Jesus in his Olivet prophecy gave the Apostles signs of when to flee the city, & also "signs" that were not specific but would simply take place - wars, earthquakes, famines, etc.


I agree so far.



Now you are getting fanciful.



As Revelation was given before AD 70, we can look in Jesus' prophecies for related events, as well as events prophesied by the Apostles. I'll just take one -

Rev. 6:15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”

Luke 23:27 A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. 28 Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ 30 Then
“ ‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!” ’
31 For if people do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?”

Hosea 10:8 The high places of wickedness will be destroyed— it is the sin of Israel. Thorns and thistles will grow up and cover their altars. Then they will say to the mountains, “Cover us!” and to the hills, “Fall on us!”

Isaiah 2:19 People will flee to caves in the rocks
and to holes in the ground
from the fearful presence of the LORD
and the splendor of his majesty,
when he rises to shake the earth. ["earth" is Gk ge, often translated "land" of Israel.]​

Note "..... weep for yourselves and for your children." That dreadful judgment would take place in their lifetime, at the AD 70 destruction, "this generation" according to Mat. 24.

The prophecy of Revelation does not stand alone, to be misinterpreted, but it is included within Scripture to be interpreted by reference to related Scripture.

Some of it to the churches of that time, but majority to still yet the future!

 

[timtofly]

If you start reading Revelation at the beginning, it is clear that it is for its first readers, as -

1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.​

Also as Mat. 24:30 is quoted in v. 7, Jesus coming in clouds at the AD 70 destruction, the vision is before AD 70. Note that "peoples of the earth" could & should(?) read "tribes of the land." Certainly the rebellious tribes of Israel, who pierced their Messiah, would mourn as city & temple were destroyed.

Note also that Rev. 11 describes the destruction of Jerusalem -

8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified.​

And God only owns the cattle on 1,000 hills, not all the other hills .... The millennium of Rev. 20 is the present Gospel age, during which the souls of martyrs & other dead believers live & reign in heaven awaiting the second resurrection at Jesus coming for resurrection, judgment & the NH&NE. The first & general resurrections are described in John 5. The first resurrection is when we are born again.

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I agree the end of the OC & beginning of the NC. I'm not bothered with your maths.

There was an overlap, while the temple remained. The Apostles met there & preached there to the Jews & Proselytes who gathered there for worship. Jesus in his Olivet prophecy gave the Apostles signs of when to flee the city, & also "signs" that were not specific but would simply take place - wars, earthquakes, famines, etc.


I agree so far.



Now you are getting fanciful.



As Revelation was given before AD 70, we can look in Jesus' prophecies for related events, as well as events prophesied by the Apostles. I'll just take one -

Rev. 6:15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”

Luke 23:27 A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. 28 Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ 30 Then
“ ‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!” ’
31 For if people do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?”

Hosea 10:8 The high places of wickedness will be destroyed— it is the sin of Israel. Thorns and thistles will grow up and cover their altars. Then they will say to the mountains, “Cover us!” and to the hills, “Fall on us!”

Isaiah 2:19 People will flee to caves in the rocks
and to holes in the ground
from the fearful presence of the LORD
and the splendor of his majesty,
when he rises to shake the earth. ["earth" is Gk ge, often translated "land" of Israel.]​

Note "..... weep for yourselves and for your children." That dreadful judgment would take place in their lifetime, at the AD 70 destruction, "this generation" according to Mat. 24.

The prophecy of Revelation does not stand alone, to be misinterpreted, but it is included within Scripture to be interpreted by reference to related Scripture.

All those verses were pointing to now. Not everything in those verses were totally fulfilled. Yes, it has always been soon.

Where in 70AD did the sky roll back, and God on the throne was seen by even those in Australia and South America? Did those in the Roman Empire even know that there was an Australia and a South America?

The 1000 year reign of Christ is both tangible spiritually and physically. It is not happening right now, because Jesus is not physically reigning in the Middle East. It is not spiritual either right now, because all humans will physically experience what it is to have the spiritual as a tangible reality. There is no event around 1030 AD that fulfills Revelation.

 

[Oseas3]

What you say in your comment, part is true and part is untrue.

Analyzing the complex and profound mystery of creation, I think it would be interesting to clarify better what God revealed to Moses around 2500 years after Adam. Actually, God's creation is not so superficial.

You said as follows :

Here is another Lord's Day Genesis 2:4
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth, when they were created, in the day, that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,"

No, it is not another Day, absolutely, but the specific Day when the heavens and the earth were created, and even the own God(not me) revealed unto Moses they were created in the FIRST Day. Genesis 1:v.1. As I said above, this is not so superficial to be interpreted, evidently, but a very profound mystery, do you agree?

My support is Genesis 1:v.1. God said unto Moses, and Moses wrote: "In the beginning-in JESUS- God created the heavens and the earth". The first thing I analyze here is that God planned to create SEVERAL heavens since the first Day. We know that were created the 1st, and the 2nd, and the 3rd heavens, and also the heaven of the heavens. In the beginning of the fifth Day or fifth millennium, Paul the Apostle was caught even to the 3rd heaven. See, All things were made by JESUS -the beginning-Revelation 1:v.8- ; and without JESUS-the Almighty- was not ANY THING made that was made-John 1:v.3. These things have the support of Scripture, understand?.

God - the Word is God - revealed unto Moses (but was not revealed unto Moses that God was JESUS, but the beginning) that JESUS also created the earth. Great mystery, for the earth was created without form (Scripture is not referring to geometric form, in this sense the earth had a geometric form evidently) and void (void of what? For the earth was not made void, He-JESUS- didn’t create it a wasteland) ; and darkness was upon the face of the deep (the environment of darkness occurred after the fall of Eden). But the Spirit of God did move Himself upon the face of the waters.-This has nothing to do with H2O evidently.

See, God is a title given to the Word. The Word is God.

Genesis 1:v.3-6:
3 And God-JESUS-said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God-JESUS- saw the light, that it was good: and God-the Almighty- divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God-JESUS- called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the EVENING and the MORNING were the FIRST Day. (Yeah, there was EVENING and there was MORNING despite the Sun had not be created yet physically. If we interpret physically LITERALLY, it has not any sense, no, absolutely)

The word generations means multiple families one after another with the only time frame of "in the day, that the Lord made" "the earth and heavens multiply after their kind." Now one may argue the "multiply after their kind" is adding to Scripture. It is not. It is describing generations. That is how the verse started out. Generations implies multiply periods of offspring and in the time frame of a day of the Lord.

I agree. In this, what you said is true. Only after around 2500 years God revealed unto Moses that the heavens and the earth were created, inclusive, as you said, the "generations of multiple families one after another with the only time frame of "in the day, that the Lord made".

In fact, God created a peculiar environment for these families, as He-God-revealed to Moses, and Moses wrote in Genesis 5, the genealogy of these families of the first Day or first millennium of course. Check it. By the way, the time table I posted above describes the God's families of the FIRST Day, or FIRST millennium. Malachi 2:v.15 reveals: 15 And did not He make one? Yet had He the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That He might seek a godly seed.

FIRST DAY - FIRST MILLENNIUM - YEAR 1 to year 1000

First God made be born Abel. Cain, by the way, a son of Devil, killed Abel. In accord biblical Chronology, Noah was born about year 1056. God had already worked 1000 years, a millennium, so the 1st Day of 1000 years (midnight on God's watch) had ended 56 years before Noah's birth. And the 2nd Day had started when God's watch was pointed midnight. Do you know what were the works of God-JESUS-during the first millennium? Malachi 2:v.15 reveals: 15 - And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed.

LATER - IN THE SECOND DAY - SECOND MILLENNIUM - year 1001 to 2000
The main work of God, besides the flood , and among others, the main event when ENDED the second Day and started the third Day (year 2000-midnight on God's watch), it was de covenant with Abraham, among MANY MANY works God-JESUS- made throughout of the second Day or second millennium.

God said to Abraham as is written in Genesis 17:v.19&21- 19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. 21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. Romans 4:v.17- 17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

1 Corinthians 2:v.9-11
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that LOVE Him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

 

[Hobie]

True. Micah 4:v.1-3
1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord (In my view the God's Kingdom-Rev.11:v.15) shall be established in the top of the mountains(will rise above all kingdoms of THIS WORLD-Rev.11:v.15 explains better about this), and it shall be exalted above the hills(will be exalted above all kind of Ministries and Ministers of all denominations of the present time in whole world); and people (Gentile people) shall flow unto it.

2 And many nations (Gentile nations) shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the Word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

3 And he shall Judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off...(Gentile nations - UE, USA, G-7- and so on). Revelation 11:v.18 explains better about strong nations.



The vast numbers of saved Jews, inclusive the Apostles, even so the mother of Jesus, they all are waiting the resurrection of this last Day, the Lord's Day, as said Martha, sister of Lazarus, unto JESUS-John 11:v.24. Let us analyse, or rather, meditate in 1Thes.4:v.13-18:
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel-Michael-Daniel 12:1-3-, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them...to meet the Lord...and so shall we ever be with the Lord (in the Kingdom of God-the third heaven-Luke 20:v.35-36&Rev.5v.10).
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

But at this present time also there is a saved remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works(Rom. 11:v.5-6).

And this remnant are 144000 sealed servants of our God, sealed in their foreheads(Rev.7). John did see them with the Lamb on Mount Sion: Rev.14:v.1-5
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters(peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues), and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

May our LORD God bless us, and keep us, and give us His protection until the day 1335 - 45 days after the end of AD - Daniel 12:v.12

Amen

I opened another thread so as not to derail this one to go over that issue...The False Doctrine of a 7-year Tribulation

 

[timtofly]

I opened another thread so as not to derail this one to go over that issue...The False Doctrine of a 7-year Tribulation

This thread is about Jacob's trouble a 7 year period. Opposing views are still on topic, no? My post, normally derail topics...

 

[Hobie]

Praise be God.

I enjoyed reading your comment above bringing so marvellous interpretations, inspired by the Spirit of God. Aleluia! And here goes what I enlight of your comment above: "One age ended and the next one began. It was on April 14th, AD 30. The easiest and Christ centered way to start and end an Age. Yes, one can do math with OT prophets, human understanding outside of the Bible, etc. But the best and most concise is with Jesus Christ Himself."

That said, I would like to post here a table of times, from Adam until our days, as a parameter by approachment indicating in what time we are living today, if compared with Scriptures. I have meditated a lot to understand about midnight in God's watch, my point is that when one millennium ended and the next began it is midnight on God's watch. If this is correct, then in my view we are already within the last Day, and living in the beginning of the seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day.

Here goes the Table of times from Adam to the present time.

Based in the Word of God, the source of the truth, on God's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years (Psalm 90:4; II Pet. 3:8; Heb. 4:4) so MANKIND would go through six God Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).

In accord biblical Chronology, we can number our days, beginning in Genesis chapter 5, as follow::
Adam lived …...................................................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived ........................................................105 yrs and begat Enosh;
Enosh lived .......................................................90 yrs and begat Kenan;
Kenan lived........................................................70 yrs and begat Mahalalel;
Mahalalel lived ..................................................65 yrs and begat Jared;
Jared lived .......................................................162 yrs and begat Enoch;
Enoch lived ........................................................65 yrs and begat Methuselah;
Methuselah lived..............................................187 yrs and begat Lamech;
Lamech lived ....................................................182 yrs and begat Noah;
From Noah´s birth until the Flood..................600 yrs.
Total of yrs from Adam to the Flood =........1,656 yrs.

I work with the Word of God. Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of God, it is not of human theories or human speculations. Let us study the times until our days not by human speculations, but by the Word of God. So, see the table below:

PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES ----------------------- DURATION

I - From Adam to the Flood---------------------------1,656 years (as was showed above)
II - From the Flood to Abraham-----------------------.427 years
III - From Abraham to Exodus--------------------------430 years-Gal.3:17
IV - From Exodus to king Saul ------------------------ 396 years
V - From Saul to the fall of Jerusalem -------------. 508 years
VI - From the fall of Jerusalem to Jesus ----------- 587 years
Thus, from Adam to the 1st coming of Jesus---4,004 years

From Jesus to our days (Christian Calendar)--. 2,020 years
Total from Adam to our days ------------------------ 6,024 years

Jesus -the Greater Light-Genesis 1:v.16- came in the fourth Day or around 4,000 years after the beginning of creation. From JESUS (fourth Day) until our days, have passed more TWO DAYS or 2.000 years (one Day with the Lord is as a thousand years), totalizing 6 complete Days or six complete milleniums,or around 6.000 years, more precisely 6,020 years, according Christian Calendar pointing the year 2.020.

So, we have entered in the beginning of the FIRST CENTURY of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Millennium of Vengeance.

The world of Devil is already Judged and Condemned, and now, in this seventh and last millennium, it will be punished with strong punishments, there will be only and only punishments in this last Day, the Day of the Lord, King of kings and LORD of lords.

And God Father has already entered in His rest, as He had planned in the beginning of His works, but He is not sleeping, of course, and JESUS assume the government of the Universe. JESUS is now sat on His Throne, the Judgment Seat of Christ, to Judge all nations, taking VENGEANCE on them that know not God, and that obey not His gospel, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the Glory of His Power. 2Thes.1:v.7-13

The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever. (Rev.11:15) verse 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth. It's it. The plague and a severe punishment is running in accord Matth.24:v.3&7

May our LORD God bless and keep us, and give us His protection - until the day 1.335 - Dan.12:v.12

PS.
Another point I would like to comment is about the 7 churches of Asia, but I will do in the next post just below.

That is not the spirit from God, but of another origin as it denies what so clearly pointed to Christ at His first coming, and that is the work of the adversary.

 

[Oseas3]

That is not the spirit from God, but of another origin as it denies what so clearly pointed to Christ at His first coming, and that is the work of the adversary.

Could you highlight to what point of the post are you referring?

 

[Sai]

The Tribulation


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[timtofly]

The Tribulation


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He is not wrong in the aspect that the church is basically (judge Judy says that is a filler word) done. It could be officially done this year, but who knows? Not even Jesus did, might be getting a vibe?????

I will just point out that the Second Coming is less than 3 years away, despite what some may think they know. Even Jesus knows the Second Coming happens at the beginning of the 7th Trumpet sometime in April 2023.

All will know when the 6th seal is opened.

This is not a distraction. This is a joyous proclamation. God is still not willing that any perish. The church can still pray for God's Will to be done, and all the world come to repentance. Matthew 9:36-38

36 When he saw the crowds, he had compassion on them because they were harried and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.
37 Then he said to his talmidim, “The harvest is rich, but the workers are few.
38 Pray that the Lord of the harvest will send out workers to gather in his harvest.”