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What Is Total Depravity?

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JonShaff

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Yeshua1 said:
He can, as he reveals Himself as the almighty Creator to all, but He reveals Himself as the saving God of grace to His own!
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I suppose this will keep going round and round.

Your statement does not line up with:
John 1
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
 
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tyndale1946 said:
I disagree I feel they know exactly what Calvinism teaches and affirms... The basic tenants of Calvinism is God is in complete control and I'm not... Brother Glen:)
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That is even worsethen, as they are saying that they reject God as the boss, and see themselves in that role!
 
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JonShaff said:
I suppose this will keep going round and round.

Your statement does not line up with:
John 1
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
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Need to go to John 1:13, we are born again due to the very will of God!
 
1689Dave

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utilyan said:
No one would conclude that interpretation reading the verse without over the shoulder "help". Not even classic commentators.

Quote the teacher who you learned this from. We cannot make stuff up as you go along.


Name one person who can pick up a penny without the sustaining power of God. The "without God" cop out works with any action.
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If they cannot see the penny, they can not pick it up.
“He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.” (John 12:40)
 
JonShaff

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Yeshua1 said:
Need to go to John 1:13, we are born again due to the very will of God!
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Yea, take off your calvinistic glasses. You cannot be born physically a child of God. You cannot produce enough Works to become a child of God...You have to be born of God through Faith in His Son!
 
SovereignGrace

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JonShaff said:
I suppose this will keep going round and round.

Your statement does not line up with:
John 1
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
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However, who are these ppl who received Him, those who believed in His name?

Were it those born of blood, of Abraham’s lineage? No

Were it those who were born of the will of man? No

Were it those who were born by the will of flesh? No

Were it those who were born of God? YAHTZEE!
 
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JonShaff said:
Yea, take off your calvinistic glasses. You cannot be born physically a child of God. You cannot produce enough Works to become a child of God...You have to be born of God through Faith in His Son!
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Yes, the faith that God gave to those who are redeemed!
 
SovereignGrace

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JonShaff said:
Yea, take off your calvinistic glasses. You cannot be born physically a child of God. You cannot produce enough Works to become a child of God...You have to be born of God through Faith in His Son!
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And faith comes from hearing the word and not conjured up from within man. IOW, it’s a gift of God.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
However, who are these ppl who received Him, those who believed in His name?

Were it those born of blood, of Abraham’s lineage? No

Were it those who were born of the will of man? No

Were it those who were born by the will of man? No

Were it those who were born of God? YAHTZEE!
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He just had to add in the very next verse! John 1:13
 
1689Dave

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JonShaff said:
Yea, take off your calvinistic glasses. You cannot be born physically a child of God. You cannot produce enough Works to become a child of God...You have to be born of God through Faith in His Son!
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But faith ( a fruit of the Holy Spirit) precedes "accepting Jesus", choosing to believe" or any other form of repentance.
 
SovereignGrace

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1689Dave said:
But faith ( a fruit of the Holy Spirit) precedes "accepting Jesus", choosing to believe" or any other form of repentance.
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Correct. God first works then man reacts. They have man doing his part first and then God doing His. They conjure up faith and repentance, and then God accepts their gracious gift of works.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
Correct. God first works then man reacts. They have man doing his part first and then God doing His. They conjure up faith and repentance, and then God accepts their gracious gift of works.
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The 2 main questions are: What is the determining factor that makes one say yes, another no, hearing same message? and how can spiritual dead and blind and deaf hear and respond on their own?
 
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