What is truth?

[Matt22:37-39]

WHAT IS TRUTH?...Click on the link for the whole article, or should I say the whole TRUTH...

The Offensive Nature of Truth
When the concept of truth is maligned, it usually for one or more of the following reasons:

One common complaint against anyone claiming to have absolute truth in matters of faith and religion is that such a stance is “narrow-minded.” However, the critic fails to understand that, by nature, truth is narrow. Is a math teacher narrow-minded for holding to the belief that 2 + 2 only equals 4?

Another objection to truth is that it is arrogant to claim that someone is right and another person is wrong. However, returning to the above example with mathematics, is it arrogant for a math teacher to insist on only one right answer to an arithmetic problem? Or is it arrogant for a locksmith to state that only one key will open a locked door?

A third charge against those holding to absolute truth in matters of faith and religion is that such a position excludes people, rather than being inclusive. But such a complaint fails to understand that truth, by nature, excludes its opposite. All answers other than 4 are excluded from the reality of what 2 + 2 truly equals.

Yet another protest against truth is that it is offensive and divisive to claim one has the truth. Instead, the critic argues, all that matters is sincerity. The problem with this position is that truth is immune to sincerity, belief, and desire. It doesn’t matter how much one sincerely believes a wrong key will fit a door; the key still won’t go in and the lock won’t be opened. Truth is also unaffected by sincerity. Someone who picks up a bottle of poison and sincerely believes it is lemonade will still suffer the unfortunate effects of the poison. Finally, truth is impervious to desire. A person may strongly desire that their car has not run out of gas, but if the gauge says the tank is empty and the car will not run any farther, then no desire in the world will miraculously cause the car to keep going.

Some will admit that absolute truth exists, but then claim such a stance is only valid in the area of science and not in matters of faith and religion. This is a philosophy called logical positivism, which was popularized by philosophers such as David Hume and A. J. Ayer. In essence, such people state that truth claims must either be (1) tautologies (for example, all bachelors are unmarried men) or empirically verifiable (that is, testable via science). To the logical positivist, all talk about God is nonsense.

Those who hold to the notion that only science can make truth claims fail to recognize is that there are many realms of truth where science is impotent. For example:

• Science cannot prove the disciplines of mathematics and logic because it presupposes them.
• Science cannot prove metaphysical truths such as, minds other than my own do exist.
• Science is unable to provide truth in the areas of morals and ethics. You cannot use science, for example, to prove the Nazis were evil.
• Science is incapable of stating truths about aesthetic positions such as the beauty of a sunrise.
• Lastly, when anyone makes the statement “science is the only source of objective truth,” they have just made a philosophical claim—which cannot be tested by science.

And there are those who say that absolute truth does not apply in the area of morality. Yet the response to the question, “Is is moral to torture and murder an innocent child?” is absolute and universal: No. Or, to make it more personal, those who espouse relative truth concerning morals always seem to want their spouse to be absolutely faithful to them.

Why Truth is Important

Why is it so important to understand and embrace the concept of absolute truth in all areas of life (including faith and religion)? Simply because life has consequences for being wrong. Giving someone the wrong amount of a medication can kill them; having an investment manager make the wrong monetary decisions can impoverish a family; boarding the wrong plane will take you where you do not wish to go; and dealing with an unfaithful marriage partner can result in the destruction of a family and, potentially, disease.

As Christian apologist Ravi Zacharias puts it, “The fact is, the truth matters – especially when you’re on the receiving end of a lie.” And nowhere is this more important than in the area of faith and religion. Eternity is an awfully long time to be wrong.


http://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-truth.html

 

[Matt22:37-39]

This all started because many believe in a evolution science of the age of the earth, rather than taking God's word for what it says a literal 6 days...the fact that most believe a lie and defy COMMON SENSE...remember plants and vegetation cannot reproduce or even survive long without animals and critters...MANURE, come on fertilizer? Bee's and POLLEN, Bird's and seeds...etc. So If I am in the "Minority" I think that is sad and speaks for the need to get people back to basics. Take the "6 day creation debate"

For a true believer with any common sense and a real desire for TRUTH cannot walk away after seeing the proof in a LITERAL 6 DAY CREATION in the video "age of the earth"...Like I've said in my OP, Satan uses LIES to deceive and work his purpose, God uses TRUTH.

It was the fall of mankind, when Satan mixed some truth with some lies. The author shows and proves how devastation believing in evolution on any scale is WRONG and DANGEROUS. In fact, it is the biggest lie of all to lead man to hell...it almost was mine.

FOUNDATION is always the key, even Jesus said, "UPON THIS FOUNDATION (He is the rock) I will build my church," He also said, "that the one whose FOUNDATION is built on sand will surely be shaken and destroyed. But the foundation that is built on Him (TRUTH) will stand"...I feel, I am on a FIRM foundation and I make NO APOLOGIES for it.

That is the problem with "Christianity" today, too many are walking around drinking and desiring milk. You also have those who in their pride and self serving agenda's are out there teaching and preaching extremes that harm and tear down rather than build up and edify.....why? Because these faulty systems and "powers that be" are producing weak, anemic and dying sheep...if they had only desired the right balance of WHO GOD IS and what He wants from us, then more would be in agreements with me and what Pastor Whitaker taught and I am sure others...my ex and I had the EXACT SAME DOCTRINE and is one reason I was attracted to him and we didn't even learn it from the same church, but know I know it is a rare thing. The RARE PART is what NEEDS to be taught more...BALANCE, LOVE and TRUTH!...Separating the lies from the truth and loving God and others to best of my ability based on SUBMITTING and YIELDING and then in His power He produces the "fruits of the spirit" through me...IT AIN'T ABOUT ME!

That is my message and I a sorry if people don't get it...that is Ok, cause I am ACCOUNTABLE to God when it comes down to it, more than I am any one person.

 

[Matt22:37-39]

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This all started because many believe in a evolution science of the age of the earth, rather than taking God's word for what it says a literal 6 days...the fact that most believe a lie and defy COMMON SENSE...remember plants and vegetation cannot reproduce or even survive long without animals and critters...MANURE, come on fertilizer? BEES and pollen, BIRDS and seeds...etc. So If I am in the "Minority" I think that is sad and speaks for the need to get people back to basics. Take the "6 day creation debate"

For a true believer with any common sense and a real desire for TRUTH to walk away after seeing the proof in a LITERAL 6 DAY CREATION in the video "age of the earth"...and still believe in any form of evolution, is believing a LIE. Like I've said in my OP, Satan uses LIES to deceive and work his purpose, God uses TRUTH.

It was at the fall of mankind, when Satan mixed some truth with some lies. The author shows and proves how devastating believing in evolution on any scale is WRONG and DANGEROUS. In fact, it is the biggest lie of all to lead man to hell...it almost was mine.

FOUNDATION is always the key, even Jesus said, "UPON THIS FOUNDATION (He is the rock) I will build my church," He also said, "that the one whose FOUNDATION is built on sand will surely be shaken and destroyed. But the foundation that is built on Him (TRUTH) will stand"...I feel, I am on a FIRM foundation and I make NO APOLOGIES for it.

That is the problem with "Christianity" today, too many are walking around drinking and desiring milk. You also have those who in their pride and self serving agenda's are out there teaching and preaching extremes that harm and tear down, rather than build up and edify.....why? Because these faulty systems and "powers that be" are producing weak, anemic and dying sheep...if they had only desired the right balance of WHO GOD IS and what He wants from us, then more would be in agreement with me and what Pastor Whitaker taught and I am sure others...my ex and I had the EXACT SAME DOCTRINE and is one reason I was attracted to him and we didn't even learn it from the same church, but now I know it is a rare thing. The RARE PART is what NEEDS to be taught more...BALANCE, LOVE and TRUTH!...Separating the LIES from the TRUTH and LOVING God and others to the best of my ability, based on SUBMITTING and YIELDING and then in His power, He produces the "fruits of the spirit" through me...IT AIN'T ABOUT ME!

That is my message and I am sorry if people don't get it...that is Ok, cause I am ACCOUNTABLE to God when it comes down to it, more than I am any one person.

 

[righteousdude2]

A Word to the Wise...

....is actually more in the "eye of the beholder" than the Biblical World View of His Word.

The reason there is so much disagreement on this board is because everyone seems to think they have a special place in the heart of God. Too many of the folks on this board think they have ALL the answers, and they live to correct those that are not at their level of theology and doctrinal understandings or leanings.

So, if you want to know the truth, just post something and wait for the wind of cyber wisdom to blow in and like an instant tornado, it will begin ripping, uprooting, twisting, bending, tossing aside and destroying your thoughts and everyone elses thoughts to be the king of the board. And let me remind you, these folks spare me expense, especially at the cost of others.

And one more time, Matt22. This is not to put you down, or lift you up. If you want to believe the things you post as being directly from God, so be it. Just don't expect others to always see it as you. This is not some kind of popularity contest, Kiddo. In fact, it doesn't matter if you like me, agree with me, or support me. All that matters to me, is that when I draw my last breath in this life, I go through the Narrow Gate at the end of the Narrow Path. And that should be all that matters to you.

If you put your heart out there in cyber-land, it will be stepped on; tromped on; and likely broken, and sad to say, those who break your heart don't care one bit. All they want is to be top man on the totem pole. I say let 'em [be top man]. Because all that should matter to you is that you have a key waiting to be handed to you for your brand new condo in Heaven when Jesus meets you at the pearly gate.

If you feel comfortable with what you have posted, I'd say to go with it. As Rick Hunter, on the old television cop show always said, Hey! It works for me!"

When I post on the board, I am not looking for validation or approval. Because if I did, I'd be severely disappointed, and my feelings would be hurt.

I am comfortable in my own understanding of what God has given me, and for sure, no cyber theologian, who has no reliable or tangible credentials to back up their views and opinions are going to dissuade me; change my mind; or persuade me to think differently. Sorry to say, my mind is pretty much made up!!!

God, through His Holy Spirit has done a more than an adequate job thus far, and I'm not about to let so boisterous, bombastic, big mouth; bamboozle, belittle, guilt trip, demean me, humiliate, embarass or publicly destroy me.

I am quite confident, as I am sure, you are [or you'd not be posting these long dissertations] that God has adequately prepared me. As for a pool of teachers and leaders whom I respect and look up to for mentoring, they are people that have faces. People I have known for a long time. And more importantly, people I trust.

There are few people that I trust on this board, and if you want to know who they are looked at my list of friends in my personal section of this board. There are also a few that I have yet to befriend, that also count in my list of cyber friends.

BTW - I use the term "cyber-friends" for a reason. That means these are people I'd not know if not for the miracle of cyber space. Still, while I count it a blessing to have these folks as friends to fellowship with through the medium of cyber space, there is nothing that can take the place of actually meeting the person, face-to-face, and looking into their eyes. Thus when someone tells me, they love me in Jesus, I am pretty sure of their love and words. :flower:

Cyber space has fooled a great many folks into thinking they have made great friends [BFF's], and I am not about to let it fool me... I love it, and thank God for it, I just don't put all my marbles in its cyber bank safe! :smilewinkgrin:

Shalom, and if I've hurt or disappointed you, I am sorry. I am only giving you what you are asking for: Aand honest opinion.

 

[saturneptune]

There is only way I know how to answer the question, "What is truth?" Pilate asked the exact same question while he was eye to eye with Truth. Truth is Christ, as He said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life,,,,," For me, that is the end of the answer.

 

[Matt22:37-39]

Dude, very interesting post indeed with lots of truth yet again with some misunderstanding of me and I'm not sure I'm making it clear.

I have never asked for VALIDATION, PRAISE or APPROVAL...but I DIDN'T expect to be attacked and lied about and maligned on a Christian forum. Maybe you don't realize it but many of you set the tone for what is being written those of you "In Charge"...and much like the UNHEALTHY CHURCHES I write about you cause dissension, by how you come across, how you react, how your jealousy is mindbogglingly evil and I could go on.

See that is what you all don't get...I write to you who are promoting evil and not doing God's will yet you claim to be a believer? It is obvious you are doing the will of Satan cause God doesn't work the way many of you do...it goes against WHO HE IS!

Do you guys even realize how many people and good people at that you have OFFENDED and ran off, and caused the name of CHRIST to be maligned as well?

See, I fight not against flesh and blood on here but evil forces behind the scenes...

you all find me arrogant for that, than so be it, as Paul said, "If I Boast Let Me boast In The Lord'

 

[Matt22:37-39]

There is only way I know how to answer the question, "What is truth?" Pilate asked the exact same question while he was eye to eye with Truth. Truth is Christ, as He said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life,,,,," For me, that is the end of the answer.

You are right and if you click on the LINK PROVIDED that is exactly the first thing the author talks about...good insight.

 

[convicted1]

There is only way I know how to answer the question, "What is truth?" Pilate asked the exact same question while he was eye to eye with Truth. Truth is Christ, as He said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life,,,,," For me, that is the end of the answer.

Bingo!! I was going to same the same thing, that He is the Truth!!! :thumbsup::applause::thumbsup::applause:

 

[Matt22:37-39]

HERE IS THAT PART...

Question: "What is truth?"

Answer: Almost two thousand years ago, Truth was put on trial and judged by people who were devoted to lies. In fact, Truth faced six trials in less than one full day, three of which were religious, and three that were legal. In the end, few people involved in those events could answer the question, “What is truth?”

After being arrested, the Truth was first led to a man named Annas, a corrupt former high priest of the Jews. Annas broke numerous Jewish laws during the trial, including holding the trial in his house, trying to induce self-accusations against the defendant, and striking the defendant, who had been convicted of nothing at the time. After Annas, the Truth was led to the reigning high priest, Caiaphas, who happened to be Annas’s son-in-law. Before Caiaphas and the Jewish Sanhedrin, many false witnesses came forward to speak against the Truth, yet nothing could be proved and no evidence of wrongdoing could be found. Caiaphas broke no fewer than seven laws while trying to convict the Truth: (1) the trial was held in secret; (2) it was carried out at night; (3) it involved bribery; (4) the defendant had no one present to make a defense for Him; (5) the requirement of 2-3 witnesses could not be met; (6) they used self-incriminating testimony against the defendant; (7) they carried out the death penalty against the defendant the same day. All these actions were prohibited by Jewish law. Regardless, Caiaphas declared the Truth guilty because the Truth claimed to be God in the flesh, something Caiaphas called blasphemy.

When morning came, the third trial of the Truth took place, with the result that the Jewish Sanhedrin pronounced the Truth should die. However, the Jewish council had no legal right to carry out the death penalty, so they were forced to bring the Truth to the Roman governor at the time, a man named Pontius Pilate. Pilate was appointed by Tiberius as the fifth prefect of Judea and served in that capacity A.D. 26 to 36. The procurator had power of life and death and could reverse capital sentences passed by the Sanhedrin. As the Truth stood before Pilate, more lies were brought against Him. His enemies said, “We found this man misleading our nation and forbidding to pay taxes to Caesar, and saying that He Himself is Christ, a King” (Luke 23:2). This was a lie, as the Truth had told everyone to pay their taxes (Matthew 22:21) and never spoke of Himself as a challenge to Caesar.

After this, a very interesting conversation between the Truth and Pilate took place. “Therefore Pilate entered again into the Praetorium, and summoned Jesus and said to Him, ‘Are You the King of the Jews?’ Jesus answered, ‘Are you saying this on your own initiative, or did others tell you about Me?’ Pilate answered, ‘I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests delivered You to me; what have You done?’ Jesus answered, ‘My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.’ Therefore Pilate said to Him, ‘So You are a king?’ Jesus answered, ‘You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.’ Pilate said to Him, ‘What is truth?’” (John 18:33–38).

Pilate’s question, “What is truth?” has reverberated down through history. Was it a melancholy desire to know what no one else could tell him, a cynical insult, or perhaps an irritated, indifferent reply to Jesus’ words?

In a postmodern world that denies that truth can be known, the question is more important than ever to answer. What is truth?

A Proposed Definition of Truth

In defining truth, it is first helpful to note what truth is not:

• Truth is not simply whatever works. This is the philosophy of pragmatism – an ends-vs.-means-type approach. In reality, lies can appear to “work,” but they are still lies and not the truth.
• Truth is not simply what is coherent or understandable. A group of people can get together and form a conspiracy based on a set of falsehoods where they all agree to tell the same false story, but it does not make their presentation true.
• Truth is not what makes people feel good. Unfortunately, bad news can be true.
• Truth is not what the majority says is true. Fifty-one percent of a group can reach a wrong conclusion.
• Truth is not what is comprehensive. A lengthy, detailed presentation can still result in a false conclusion.
• Truth is not defined by what is intended. Good intentions can still be wrong.
• Truth is not how we know; truth is what we know.
• Truth is not simply what is believed. A lie believed is still a lie.
• Truth is not what is publicly proved. A truth can be privately known (for example, the location of buried treasure).

The Greek word for “truth” is aletheia, which literally means to “un-hide” or “hiding nothing.” It conveys the thought that truth is always there, always open and available for all to see, with nothing being hidden or obscured. The Hebrew word for “truth” is emeth, which means “firmness,” “constancy” and “duration.” Such a definition implies an everlasting substance and something that can be relied upon.

From a philosophical perspective, there are three simple ways to define truth:

1. Truth is that which corresponds to reality.
2. Truth is that which matches its object.
3. Truth is simply telling it like it is.

First, truth corresponds to reality or “what is.” It is real. Truth is also correspondent in nature. In other words, it matches its object and is known by its referent. For example, a teacher facing a class may say, “Now the only exit to this room is on the right.” For the class that may be facing the teacher, the exit door may be on their left, but it’s absolutely true that the door, for the professor, is on the right.

Truth also matches its object. It may be absolutely true that a certain person may need so many milligrams of a certain medication, but another person may need more or less of the same medication to produce the desired effect. This is not relative truth, but just an example of how truth must match its object. It would be wrong (and potentially dangerous) for a patient to request that their doctor give them an inappropriate amount of a particular medication, or to say that any medicine for their specific ailment will do.

In short, truth is simply telling it like it is; it is the way things really are, and any other viewpoint is wrong. A foundational principle of philosophy is being able to discern between truth and error, or as Thomas Aquinas observed, "It is the task of the philosopher to make distinctions."

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-truth.html#ixzz2VEQHdZk5

 

[agedman]

Truth does not need validation. Truth is.

However, Just because YOU want to make much of 6 - 24 hour periods for creation doesn't mean YOU have a righteous claim on truth.

God is a creator. That is the truth.

God creates all things. That is the truth.

God creates that which is from what isn't. That is the truth.

God cannot deny his own nature. That is the truth.

God has created and will continue to create. That is the truth (ex. "I go to prepare a place for you ...").

What YOU are attempting to do is state that God can only have created what now exists; never having created pre-Geneses 1:1.

Personally, I consider taking such a view is not truthful to the nature of God.

As a creator, God is not to be shackled to merely this we currently reside.


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I make a line break because it is somewhat important that you separate your topic from your view. In this case, matters concerning creation - which you brought up in your discourse on truth seem to distract from the foundational argument.

You have a very well reasoned argument for the topic - truth, but be careful to not fumble over a view that may or may not be supportable.

When you strayed into creation, you left the topic and wandered into a realm in which, frankly, God is rather silent about what went on pre-Genesis 1:1.

God has given humankind the history in His word that He considers necessary. The Scriptures are the truth in all that the Scriptures discuss.

Are there areas that the Scriptures do not discuss? Answer: of course there are areas; never are those areas to supersede the Scriptural truth.

One must be rather careful that speculation does not lead to doubtful disputation.

As you indicated, Biblical foundation must be secure, so that as the believer investigates matters outside the confines of Scriptures, the Scriptures remain the linchpin keeping the wheels from falling off.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I have no problem with statements saying that Christ is truth.

However this is no a definition of trut. It is like asking "What is the definition of sweet?" and replying "Doughnut is sweet." Sweet is an attribute of a doughnut, but it is not the definition of sweet. Frankly rankly no one has ever defined truth well. The question "What is truth" is one of the three great questions of philosophy ... and always will be as we humans are incapable of giving it a good definition ... of telling us what is truth.

 

[saturneptune]

I have no problem with statements saying that Christ is truth.

However this is no a definition of trut. It is like asking "What is the definition of sweet?" and replying "Doughnut is sweet." Sweet is an attribute of a doughnut, but it is not the definition of sweet. Frankly rankly no one has ever defined truth well. The question "What is truth" is one of the three great questions of philosophy ... and always will be as we humans are incapable of giving it a good definition ... of telling us what is truth.

If one thinks about the attributes of Jesus Christ, He is truth. Hebrews 11:1 is gives the definition of faith.

 

[HeirofSalvation]

I have no problem with statements saying that Christ is truth.
However this is no a definition of trut. It is like asking "What is the definition of sweet?" and replying "Doughnut is sweet." Sweet is an attribute of a doughnut, but it is not the definition of sweet. Frankly rankly no one has ever defined truth well. The question "What is truth" is one of the three great questions of philosophy ... and always will be as we humans are incapable of giving it a good definition ... of telling us what is truth.

It's impossible to always hide your patently relativist humanistic world-view isn't it? Kind of the same way Liberal Politicians forget themselves on occasion and inadvertently tell the truth (whatever the heck that means)about what they truly believe.

There is so much that is wrong with this that it's hard to know where to start, so I'll just begin with the obvious Philosophical errors which are sophomoric.

It is like asking "What is the definition of sweet?" and replying "Doughnut is sweet." Sweet is an attribute of a doughnut, but it is not the definition of sweet.

1.) In relationship to the properties a thing has, (you used the inferior and less precise term attribute) comparing a man or human, or in this case Jesus, to a doughnut as an analogy is worse than a freshman mistake:
A doughnut (or just about any innanimate object) is what you would call a "property-thing" whereas Jesus or any human or animal for instance, is categorized as a "substance". The purpose for such a distinction to any knowledgeable student of philosophy is that you cannot separate the properties of a substance, like Christ and maintain that properties' definable characteristic. A tire on the other hand, can be separated from your car and still maintain it's complete identity as a definable entity (namely, one slightly balding Firestone tire).
Any Philosopher who knows beans from apple-butter, knows that you cannot similarly separate CTB's left leg from his body and that left leg still have a meaningful identity on it's own.

As such, to attempt to separate "Truth" from Christ simply renders "Truth" meaningless. Which is precisely where Pilate erred (because he didn't have a Biblical world-view but a pagan one) and subsequently, it is precisely where you also err.

2.) Your entire post is self-defeating: Any remotely informed non-relativist knows that. Assuming you believe your post to be at all considered "true", then to simultaneously argue that "truth" is not even a definable category is to essentially force us to conclude:
"CTB's post/statement is not 'true' ". Your post collapses under it's own weight.
All I have to do is ask you the question
"Is your post true"? in order to demonstrate that it implodes.

3.) Not only is your post as a whole contradictory.......Your very first two sentences are a direct and explicit contradiction they go like this:
I have no problem with statements saying that Christ is truth
However this is no a definition of trut

You are pulling a Bill Clinton........you are questioning what the very definition of "Is" "Is".
For your sake and Clinton's I'll define it for you...........it's "is".

Frankly rankly no one has ever defined truth well

Truth is: "correspondence with reality"
..........that's really all it is.
That simple definition, or something very akin to it is accepted by anyone who is not a complete relativist be they Christian or not. Any realist philosopher essentially agrees with that definition right there. I've heard it used innumerable times. All Christian Philosophers I am aware of use it.

The question "What is truth" is one of the three great questions of philosophy

There are "Three Great questions of Philosophy?"..........Really? I generally thought there were more, but who supplied you with this? This is a hackneyed phrase I think. Did you pick this number at random? Or just find one person publish something with that assertion and swallow it whole-sale? I don't think you could get 5 actual Philosophers in the same room and have them affirm this phrase.

and always will be as we humans are incapable of giving it a good definition ... of telling us what is truth

Hence, your's and Pilate's clearly Pagan World-view vs. Christ's and the Bible's.

Jesus GAVE us PRECISELY THAT!! a "GOOD" (perfect actually) definition of truth and he did so by saying:
"I AM the way, the TRUTH..."

If you do not believe that you know:
1.) That ABSOLUTE truth exists
2.) That that ABSOLUTE truth can indeed be "known" not only theoretically, but actually and personally.........
Then you do not know the Saviour

It's so hard to mask that un-Biblical and pagan World-view which pervades your thinking without it occasionally slipping out isn't it?
It's the exact same world-view which perverts notions of justice such as which might render someone desperate to protect the life of murderers and simultaneously desperate to protect a woman's "right" to murder a child.

 

[Crabtownboy]

If one thinks about the attributes of Jesus Christ, He is truth. Hebrews 11:1 is gives the definition of faith.

Again as in the other post, I have no problem with your statement. But again, this does not give a definition. The attributes are pointers to truth, but they do not define truth.

Defining truth is a huge sticky mess. Read the following as an example:

"What is truth?" is a very simple question. Of course, answering it isn't so simple. We can offer definitions like "Truth is that which conforms to reality, fact, or actuality." But this basic definition is not complete because its definition is open to interpretation and a wide variety of applications. What is reality? What is fact? What is actuality? How does perception effect truth? We could offer answers for each of these questions, but then we could again ask similar questions of those answers. I am reminded of the paradox of throwing a ball against a wall. It must get half way there, and then half way of the remaining distance, and then half of that distance, and so on. But, an infinite number of halves in this scenario never constitutes a whole. Therefore, it would seem that the ball would never reach the wall if we applied the conceptual truths of halves.

http://carm.org/what-is-truth

Even saying that Christ is truth causes some problems. Truth, I believe, must conform to reality ... or another way of putting it is, truth and reality cannot contradict each other. Yet, we see in Christ's life miracles that we cannot fit into our understanding of reality. And reality also poses a problem in that we humans cannot define reality.

This is a very interesting topic, but one that I fear we cannot settle.

 

[Don]

Truth, I believe, must conform to reality ... or another way of putting it is, truth and reality cannot contradict each other. Yet, we see in Christ's life miracles that we cannot fit into our understanding of reality. And reality also poses a problem in that we humans cannot define reality.

Partially correct. For example, it was "truth" based on our understanding of reality that the world was flat. Once that was proven untrue, we had to change our perception of reality.

However, there are certain truths that are immutable; for example, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. If you step in water, you get wet. And Christ is the only way to heaven. These truths don't change, no matter what our perception of reality is.

Thus, "Christ is truth" should cause you no problems. If you agree that Christ is God, then when Christ says "I am...truth," we have a statement that God is truth. To say otherwise is to raise the possibility that God is not completely true; in which case, none of scripture can be trusted, and Christianity is itself a lie.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

What a load of crap. Anything to diminish the word of God. Christ claimed to be truth. Anybody who would even try to cast doubt on that is a danger. An enemy.

 

[Matt22:37-39]

agedman..read this then tell me what I said wasn't true about a 6 day creation...sorry but that is truth and anything other than a literal 6 day creation is a LIE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szBTl3S24MY

 

[HeirofSalvation]

in which case, none of scripture can be trusted, and Christianity is itself a lie.

That's the end-goal of that sort of world-view. It's just being snuck in under the guise of "christianity".

 

[Matt22:37-39]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szBTl3S24MY

yes he deals with that issue

 

[Matt22:37-39]

TRUTH AND WHAT IT MEANS TO ME

I was thinking about something I had written earlier and if what I said is true for most, or am I the exception? I said, pretty much “Is it better to stand for TRUTH and what is RIGHT than it is to be LIKED” many would say, (I know I’ve heard it)…. "it is better to be liked." I’m not talking about just what you say, but what you do as well.

Knowing my motto has always been standing up for what is right, even at the cost of something. I don’t mean to be obnoxious about your approach and I know at times I have, but for the most part I would have rather failed in my attempts to do what is right, than to COMPROMISE. As I looked back on why is this so strong for me? Why is this my motto for life and how have these TRUTHS seen me through my life against ALL ODDS? I thought of four reasons (TRUTHS) I always try and go back to over and over again…..

1) TRUTH ABOUT GOD…His word is true. Am I perfect at obeying it all the time? No, but I cannot deny its truth. I may not always understand it, but I know it is ‘BEST” for me.

2) TRUTH ABOUT MYSELF. Think about it, if we do not understand who we are , what we want and where are we going, and why, then how are we going to accomplish God’s will or anything we may desire that He wishes to bestow upon us? We have to go within and be honest with ourselves…what are my faults what are my weaknesses and what can I do to improve them, so I can be all that I can be, who God wants me to be and what would be beneficial to those around me? It all starts with being HONEST about ME.

3) TRUTH ABOUT OTHERS. Wow this one is hard for me sometimes. I need to see others the way God see’s them. (for the most part I try and do this) I must realize that not everyone is like me. They may not want to work on their issues, or they may see things differently, that doesn’t make them wrong or a bad person, they just think differently and are probably more RIGHT brain than I am, and that is the way it works for them. Everyone’s style of learning is different, and so many other factors. I need to also be cautious and know that most are not out for MY best interest, but often times their own. I must be aware of patterns in others that lead to a path I may not want to travel on. So understanding truth about others is very important, so as not to take things so personal, and not to be taken advantage of.

4) TRUTH ABOUT THE ENEMY. I think one of the greatest thief of truth is the Devil, if he can lie to you about God and His word then he really has a hold…he digs even deeper when he lies about WHO you are in Christ that Jesus really loves you, if He really loved you then why so much pain? He LIES about others. His greatest tool is dissension within the body and even outside when we should be different and not easily OFFENDED. Satan is alive and well and we must be aware of this fact.
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