What is wrong with the belief that Christ rose from the dead on Sunday?

[vooks]

Peter and John did not know that, the body was buried, or where, he was buried.

Really?
John 20:3-4 (KJV)
Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. 4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre

So how in God's beloved earth did they locate the sepulchre? By aGPS?:tonofbricks:




Of course Mary was Marion Jones, a sprinter, she ran faster than either of them

 

[vooks]

Two women only, "Mary Magdalene and the other Mary", "saw where they ... Joseph and Nicodemus ... laid Him ... and Joseph closed the sepulchre ... and they ---two men and two women--- returned and went home."

Peter and John did not know that, the body was buried, or where, he was buried.

In John 20:2, NONE of <we> i.e., NONE of either Mary or Peter or John, “kn(e)w (that) they (“they” in fact was nobody!) have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, or, where they have laid him” . . . that is, reburied him which in fact He never was.

So in effect what one Vooks alleges falsely is that everyone, all the women as well as all the disciples KNEW for alleged fact that Jesus did not resurrect but that his body was removed from Joseph’s tomb and was buried elsewhere.

Therefore this Vooks fellow, here and for his past dozen or so affirmations, have consistently accused all four Gospels that they constitute FALSE WITNESS—AND—THAT JESUS , IS A FALSE CHRIST.

Undeniable ---by only insisting the words “we know not” REALLY MEAN <WE>, <<DO know>>.

You are incorrigibly daft.
1. Jesus had informed/taught the disciples of his death AND resurrection 3 days later.
2. NONE of the disciples expected his resurrection.
3. #2 is explained by their mourning.

If they (forgetting/not believing he would resurrec) tfound the empty tomb, the most obvious to all but marine invertebrates conclusion would be his body had been moved. Now, dead bodies don't move themselves, so they conclude somebody had taken it somewhere else.

This is exactly what Mary did. Her words are rational conclusions any believer would make until they met the Resurrected Christ. Study Peterand John's reactions upon finding his missing body. Did they dispute Mary's account? They believed his body was taken away and they went away even more depressed, their savior killed, his body stolen/seized by the authorities.

At this point, according to your madness, only Mary had stumbled upon an empty tomb. Only Mary could have concluded that Jesus' body was missing. But lo and behold, she utters the powerful plural pronoun WE. Tells me AT LEAST another individual was equally befuddled by a missing body. Who was it?

 

[Bro. James]

Misinformation is one of Satan's tools to cause doubt and confusion. If the veracity of Holy Writ is erroneous in one point, all points become doubtful.

The chronology of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, The Christ, should not cast doubt on the fact of the Messiah.

The tomb was reported empty at dawn on a Sunday. This does not necessarily indicate exactly when it was vacated. Backing up three day and nights from 6 a.m. puts Jesus dying in the morning. Scripture says He died in the afternoon.

The details of the "Holy Week" are skewed by the traditions of men. "God is not the author of confusion."

The issue here is not resurrection time given in nanoseconds, but rather is Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of the Living God--victorious over death and the grave--Messiah, The Anointed One.

Where will we spend eternity?

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You are incorrigibly daft.
1. Jesus had informed/taught the disciples of his death AND resurrection 3 days later.
2. NONE of the disciples expected his resurrection.
3. #2 is explained by their mourning.

If they (forgetting/not believing he would resurrec) tfound the empty tomb, the most obvious to all but marine invertebrates conclusion would be his body had been moved. Now, dead bodies don't move themselves, so they conclude somebody had taken it somewhere else.

This is exactly what Mary did. Her words are rational conclusions any believer would make until they met the Resurrected Christ. Study Peterand John's reactions upon finding his missing body. Did they dispute Mary's account? They believed his body was taken away and they went away even more depressed, their savior killed, his body stolen/seized by the authorities.

At this point, according to your madness, only Mary had stumbled upon an empty tomb. Only Mary could have concluded that Jesus' body was missing. But lo and behold, she utters the powerful plural pronoun WE. Tells me AT LEAST another individual was equally befuddled by a missing body. Who was it?

Good! Entangle yourself further and further in your own words you already are so strangled you can only utter stuttering like here of the helpless and hopeless proud caught in his own high opinion of himself.

The more of this the better, please keep bringing it on!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Misinformation is one of Satan's tools to cause doubt and confusion. If the veracity of Holy Writ is erroneous in one point, all points become doubtful.

The chronology of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, The Christ, should not cast doubt on the fact of the Messiah.

The tomb was reported empty at dawn on a Sunday. This does not necessarily indicate exactly when it was vacated. Backing up three day and nights from 6 a.m. puts Jesus dying in the morning. Scripture says He died in the afternoon.

The details of the "Holy Week" are skewed by the traditions of men. "God is not the author of confusion."

The issue here is not resurrection time given in nanoseconds, but rather is Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of the Living God--victorious over death and the grave--Messiah, The Anointed One.

Where will we spend eternity?

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

Re:
<<<The tomb was reported empty at dawn on a Sunday.>>>

“On the First Day of the week BEING EARLY OF DARK STILL / YET [‘prohï skotias eti ousehs’] Mary Magdalene comes, sees the STONE rolled away … runs (back) comes to Simon Peter and (John) and TELLS them . . .” WHAT?

What she had seen? No! She tells them what she THOUGHT had happened but in FACT had NOT happened.

Nevertheless John 20:1,2 is the first and only <report> of the “STONE rolled away”.
Mary did not look inside the tomb nor entered into the tomb nor did anybody else.
What Mary said in John 20:2 was her assumptions—her WRONG assumptions; NOT WHAT happened really.

One:
Mary did not <report> that <<the tomb was empty>>.

She <reported> that she saw "the STONE ROLLED AWAY”

And Two:
Mary did not <report> anything <<at dawn>>. She reported what she reported “WHILE IT STILL WAS EARLY OF DARK / WHILE IT STILL WAS DUSK”.

It is <<<misinformation … one of Satan's tools to cause doubt and confusion>>> to claim: <<<The tomb was reported empty at dawn on a Sunday.>>>

 

[vooks]

Re:
<<<The tomb was reported empty at dawn on a Sunday.>>>

“On the First Day of the week BEING EARLY OF DARK STILL / YET [‘prohï skotias eti ousehs’] Mary Magdalene comes, sees the STONE rolled away … runs (back) comes to Simon Peter and (John) and TELLS them . . .” WHAT?

What she had seen? No! She tells them what she THOUGHT had happened but in FACT had NOT happened.

Nevertheless John 20:1,2 is the first and only <report> of the “STONE rolled away”.
Mary did not look inside the tomb nor entered into the tomb nor did anybody else.
What Mary said in John 20:2 was her assumptions—her WRONG assumptions; NOT WHAT happened really.

One:
Mary did not <report> that <<the tomb was empty>>.

She <reported> that she saw "the STONE ROLLED AWAY”

And Two:
Mary did not <report> anything <<at dawn>>. She reported what she reported “WHILE IT STILL WAS EARLY OF DARK / WHILE IT STILL WAS DUSK”.

It is <<<misinformation … one of Satan's tools to cause doubt and confusion>>> to claim: <<<The tomb was reported empty at dawn on a Sunday.>>>

You are misinforming believers with your ludicrous theories that are devoid of sense.

Go back to Mark. The women find the stone rolled and they get in, Mary is among them.

Because in John you are not told she got in , you ASSUME, she just saw a stone rolled away and started hallucinating like you?

Why would she go all the way to a to,b that was at least a mile off, get there and then run back without stooping?

We know she knew the body was missing because she said so!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You are misinforming believers with your ludicrous theories that are devoid of sense.

Go back to Mark. The women find the stone rolled and they get in, Mary is among them.

Because in John you are not told she got in , you ASSUME, she just saw a stone rolled away and started hallucinating like you?

Why would she go all the way to a to,b that was at least a mile off, get there and then run back without stooping?

We know she knew the body was missing because she said so!

Re:
<<<Go back to Mark. The women find the stone rolled and they get in, Mary is among them.>>>

This is not Mark; it is Luke, 24:2,3, 10.

Re:
<<<Because in John you are not told she got in>>>

Yes, you too are told she did <<not … get in>>

Re:
<<<Because … you ASSUME, she just saw a stone rolled away>>>

No, John is it who states for fact: “Mary comes and sees the stone taken away from the sepulchre”.
No <assuming>.

No accusing falsely <<like you>>, that anyone <<<ASSUME(d) … and started hallucinating>>>.

I ask you again, Are you a Christian?

Re:
<<<Why would she go all the way to a to,b that was at least a mile off, get there and then run back without stooping?>>>

Why ask me? Ask God and the Holy Spirit and John.

But you asked me. So I’ll show you why.
Here are the words with your answer in them: “Mary comes and sees the stone taken away from the sepulchre”. No <assuming>— that was why she <<<r(a)n back without stooping>>>.

Re:
<<<We know she knew the body was missing because she said so!>>>

Who’s your <we>? You? So how would you know?
<<because she said so>>, you, say.

Now give us the Scripture where Mary said that.

 

[vooks]

Re:
<<<Go back to Mark. The women find the stone rolled and they get in, Mary is among them.>>>

This is not Mark; it is Luke, 24:2,3, 10.

Re:
<<<Because in John you are not told she got in>>>

Yes, you too are told she did <<not … get in>>

Re:
<<<Because … you ASSUME, she just saw a stone rolled away>>>

No, John is it who states for fact: “Mary comes and sees the stone taken away from the sepulchre”.
No <assuming>.

No accusing falsely <<like you>>, that anyone <<<ASSUME(d) … and started hallucinating>>>.

I ask you again, Are you a Christian?

Re:
<<<Why would she go all the way to a to,b that was at least a mile off, get there and then run back without stooping?>>>

Why ask me? Ask God and the Holy Spirit and John.

But you asked me. So I’ll show you why.
Here are the words with your answer in them: “Mary comes and sees the stone taken away from the sepulchre”. No <assuming>— that was why she <<<r(a)n back without stooping>>>.

Re:
<<<We know she knew the body was missing because she said so!>>>

Who’s your <we>? You? So how would you know?
<<because she said so>>, you, say.

Now give us the Scripture where Mary said that.

Brain is a terrible thing to waste.
Let me help you.
Acts 9:11-12 (KJV)
and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. 11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, 12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight
1. Ananias is sent to Paul
2. Paul had seen a vision of Ananias laying hands on him THAT HE MAY RECEIVE HIS SIGHT
3. Ananias was sent to Paul so he may receive sight.

Acts 9:17 (KJV)
And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost
Ananias is sent so that;
1. Paul may receive his sight
2. Paul may receive baptism of the Holy Spirit

Did Ananias make up the baptism of the Holy Spirit bit seeing in verse 11 and 12 none of that is mentioned?

 

[vooks]

Re:
<<<Go back to Mark. The women find the stone rolled and they get in, Mary is among them.>>>

This is not Mark; it is Luke, 24:2,3, 10.

THIS IS MARK!
Mark 16:1-9 (KJV)
And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. 3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. 5 And entering into the sepulchre
Who are THEY but Mary Magdalene,Mary the Mother of James,and Salome:tonofbricks:

Re:
<<<Because in John you are not told she got in>>>

Yes, you too are told she did <<not … get in>>

WHERE are you told she did not get in? How did she conclude the body was TAKEN AWAY? How can an open tomb equate missing body? Mary Magdalene's IQ is several times yours

Re:
<<<Because … you ASSUME, she just saw a stone rolled away>>>

No, John is it who states for fact: “Mary comes and sees the stone taken away from the sepulchre”.
No <assuming>.

She did not report a rolled stone but a missing body. how does a rolled stone turn into a missing body! She reports a missing body because she KNEW the body was missing, not because she thought it was missing. Why would she guess the body is missing when she could have easily verified that by peeping in, which is what she had come to do:tonofbricks:

No accusing falsely <<like you>>, that anyone <<<ASSUME(d) … and started hallucinating>>>.

I ask you again, Are you a Christian?

You deny scriptures, the Word of God, don't you fear God?

Re:
<<<Why would she go all the way to a to,b that was at least a mile off, get there and then run back without stooping?>>>

Why ask me? Ask God and the Holy Spirit and John.

Her report of the missing body, it means the body was missing. If she thought the body was missing, the Holy Spirit should have CORRECTED that as He does severally. Do you want examples of Holy Spirit correcting erroneous PERCEPTIONS?
John 11:13 (KJV)
Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

But you asked me. So I’ll show you why.
Here are the words with your answer in them: “Mary comes and sees the stone taken away from the sepulchre”. No <assuming>— that was why she <<<r(a)n back without stooping>>>.

Mary reports a missing body not an open tomb

Re:
<<<We know she knew the body was missing because she said so!>>>

Who’s your <we>? You? So how would you know?
<<because she said so>>, you, say.

Now give us the Scripture where Mary said that.

Mary reported a missing body!
John 20:2 (KJV)
and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

WHERE are you told she did not get in? How did she conclude the body was TAKEN AWAY? How can an open tomb equate missing body? Mary Magdalene's IQ is several times yours

How can an opened, tomb equate a missing body?

You should ask yourself that.

What do you think the women went to the tomb "deepest of morning of night carrying their spices prepared and ready", for?
Because Mary had told them the body was <missing>?
All those women had more trust in Mary's or their own <<IQ>> for that matter, than you seem to have, because they seem to have believed her when she must have told them exactly what she told Peter and John, that she saw "the STONE ROLLED AWAY" and no more, and that she must have misreckoned herself that the body was taken away.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

She did not report a rolled stone but a missing body. how does a rolled stone turn into a missing body! She reports a missing body because she KNEW the body was missing, not because she thought it was missing. Why would she guess the body is missing when she could have easily verified that by peeping in, which is what she had come to do

This, <<<She did not report a rolled stone but a missing body>>> is a blatant denial of Scripture, you!


<<<how does a rolled stone turn into a missing body!>>>

That is what YOU must explain!

<<<She reports a missing body because she KNEW the body was missing,>>>

<<<she KNEW>>>?! Blatant <denial of Scripture> and perverting <<the Word of God>>, YOU!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Why would she guess the body is missing when she could have easily verified that by peeping in, which is what she had come to do

Because she simply did not <<verif(y) that by peeping in>> but did what the TEXT says she did : "RUNS BACK to Peter and John".

Again: Why would Mary and the other women at deepest morning of night come to the tomb CARRYING WITH THEM THEIR SPICES READY AND PREPARED" to anoint a <<missing body>>?! Was that <<<what she had come to do>>>) to anoint a <<missing body>>?!?! . . . a body <<she KNEW>> : <<was missing>>?!?! Insanity!

 

[vooks]

Because she simply did not <<verif(y) that by peeping in>> but did what the TEXT says she did : "RUNS BACK to Peter and John".

Again: Why would Mary and the other women at deepest morning of night come to the tomb CARRYING WITH THEM THEIR SPICES READY AND PREPARED" to anoint a <<missing body>>?! Was that <<<what she had come to do>>>) to anoint a <<missing body>>?!?! . . . a body <<she KNEW>> : <<was missing>>?!?! Insanity!

Mary and other women coming to the tomb is the SAME event as Mary coming to the tomb in John.


Think for once,think.
1. Mary arrives at the tomb, sees the stone rolled away
2. Mary accompanied by other women go to anoint the body 6 hours later
3. Between #1 and #2, Mary has reported a missing body to Peter and John who ran to the tomb and confirmed the same, and Mary had been left at the tomb weeping ,and The resurrected Christ had already appeared to him!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Her report of the missing body, it means the body was missing. If she thought the body was missing, the Holy Spirit should have CORRECTED that as He does severally. Do you want examples of Holy Spirit correcting erroneous PERCEPTIONS?
John 11:13 (KJV)

<<<Her report of the missing body>>>

You’re LYING. Or quote it! Mary never <reported> Jesus’ body as <<missing>>! Not even as having been removed. The Holy Spirit WITH THIS VERY SCRIPTURE corrects your LYING tongue.

 

[vooks]

<<<Her report of the missing body>>>

You’re LYING. Or quote it! Mary never <reported> Jesus’ body as <<missing>>! Not even as having been removed. The Holy Spirit WITH THIS VERY SCRIPTURE corrects your LYING tongue.

John 20:2 (ESV)
They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him.”
Lessons we can learn from this statement
1. By this time, Jesus was both dead and buried
2. Mary KNEW Jesus' body was NOT in the tomb
3. Mary SUSPECTED the body had been taken away
4. Mary could not connect an empty tomb with the glorious assurance or resurrection
5. Peter and John were BOTH unaware of these developments of a rolled stone AND a missing tomb
6. Peter and John were staying together at least that Sunday. Or one paid the other an early morning visit.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Mary reports a missing body not an open tomb

Mary reports neither <<<a missing body>>> nor <<<an open tomb>>>.

She <reported> "THE STONE ROLLED AWAY from the tomb" in John 20:1,2.

Yes the tomb was opened when she saw "the stone rolled away". Still, what she "tells" Peter and John, was "THE STONE WAS ROLLED AWAY from the tomb." And then Mary told what she herself of herself with no grounds at all THOUGHT: That "they must have taken the body away and laid it somewhere we do NOT, know where . . ." which in no way at all was true but in every sense MISRECKONED.

 

[vooks]

Mary reports neither <<<a missing body>>> nor <<<an open tomb>>>.

She <reported> "THE STONE ROLLED AWAY from the tomb" in John 20:1,2.

Yes the tomb was opened when she saw "the stone rolled away". Still, what she "tells" Peter and John, was "THE STONE WAS ROLLED AWAY from the tomb." And then Mary told what she herself of herself with no grounds at all THOUGHT: That "they must have taken the body away and laid it somewhere we do NOT, know where . . ." which in no way at all was true but in every sense MISRECKONED.

Nonsense
This is what Mary reported in first person
John 20:2 (ESV)
They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him.”

My bible even has quotation marks indicating her speech

But your Afrikaan (per)version has this
John 20:2 (APV)
"somebody rolled away the stone!"

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Brain is a terrible thing to waste.
Let me help you.
Acts 9:11-12 (KJV)
and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. 11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, 12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight
1. Ananias is sent to Paul
2. Paul had seen a vision of Ananias laying hands on him THAT HE MAY RECEIVE HIS SIGHT
3. Ananias was sent to Paul so he may receive sight.

Acts 9:17 (KJV)
And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost
Ananias is sent so that;
1. Paul may receive his sight
2. Paul may receive baptism of the Holy Spirit

Did Ananias make up the baptism of the Holy Spirit bit seeing in verse 11 and 12 none of that is mentioned?

It has nothing to do with Mary allegedly reporting <<a missing body>>.

 

[vooks]

It has nothing to do with Mary allegedly reporting <<a missing body>>.

It means even though we are not told of specific instructions to lay hands on Paul so that he may receive the Holy Spirit, the fact that later Ananias said so does not mean he made up that bit.

Likewise, you are told Mary saw the tomb opened and later she confidently reports a missing body. Must mean she saw no body.

Mary ALLEGED NOTHING about a missing body, she only naturally concluded his body was stolen/taken away.

This is what she reported
John 20:2 (ESV)
They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him.”

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Mary and other women coming to the tomb is the SAME event as Mary coming to the tomb in John.


Think for once,think.
1. Mary arrives at the tomb, sees the stone rolled away
2. Mary accompanied by other women go to anoint the body 6 hours later
3. Between #1 and #2, Mary has reported a missing body to Peter and John who ran to the tomb and confirmed the same, and Mary had been left at the tomb weeping ,and The resurrected Christ had already appeared to him!

Re:
<<<Mary and other women coming to the tomb is the SAME event as Mary coming to the tomb in John>>>

for answer to my question,

"Why would Mary and the other women at deepest morning of night come to the tomb CARRYING WITH THEM THEIR SPICES READY AND PREPARED" to anoint a <<missing body>>?! Was that <<<what she had come to do>>>) to anoint a <<missing body>>?!?! . . . a body <<she KNEW>> : <<was missing>>?!?!",

is perfectly acceptable as the answer of the ages of TRADITION, thanks