What is wrong with the belief that Christ rose from the dead on Sunday?

[vooks]

Re:
<<<Mary and other women coming to the tomb is the SAME event as Mary coming to the tomb in John>>>

for answer to my question,

"Why would Mary and the other women at deepest morning of night come to the tomb CARRYING WITH THEM THEIR SPICES READY AND PREPARED" to anoint a <<missing body>>?! Was that <<<what she had come to do>>>) to anoint a <<missing body>>?!?! . . . a body <<she KNEW>> : <<was missing>>?!?!",

is perfectly acceptable as the answer of the ages of TRADITION, thanks

Mary's visit recorded in John and that of Mark are one and the same
Else Mary is playing dumb like some people on this board by accompanying women to anoint a missing body of a resurrected Christ she met a few hours before

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Think for once,think.
1. Mary arrives at the tomb, sees the stone rolled away
2. Mary accompanied by other women go to anoint the body 6 hours later
3. Between #1 and #2, Mary has reported a missing body to Peter and John who ran to the tomb and confirmed the same, and Mary had been left at the tomb weeping ,and The resurrected Christ had already appeared to him!

Sorry, I find such incorrigible nonsensical disorderliness far too far above my <<incorrigible daftness>>.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Mary's visit recorded in John and that of Mark are one and the same
Else Mary is playing dumb like some people on this board by accompanying women to anoint a missing body of a resurrected Christ she met a few hours before

<<one and the same>> . . .

Think for once,think.
1. Mary arrives at the tomb, sees the stone rolled away
2. Mary accompanied by other women go to anoint the body 6 hours later
3. Between #1 and #2, Mary has reported a missing body to Peter and John who ran to the tomb and confirmed the same, and Mary had been left at the tomb weeping ,and The resurrected Christ had already appeared to him!

. . . <<6 hours later>>?!


oooooh, thanks for the exercise my friend ....ooooooh it's been tough!

 

[vooks]

Sorry, I find such incorrigible nonsensical disorderliness far too far above my <<incorrigible daftness>>.

That is exactly how disjointed your gibberish of theology sounds. How old are you?

You claim Mary visited the tomb alone first some 6 hours before the women.

Can you explain the events between these two visits?
Did Peter and John visit the tomb between the visits or after?

Illustration
Is it
Mary Alone<~~~~~6hrs~~~~~>at least 3 women~~~>Peter and John

Or
Mary Alone<~~~~~6hrs~~~Peter and John~~~~>at least 3 women

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

John 20:2 (ESV)
They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him.”
Lessons we can learn from this statement
1. By this time, Jesus was both dead and buried
2. Mary KNEW Jesus' body was NOT in the tomb
3. Mary SUSPECTED the body had been taken away
4. Mary could not connect an empty tomb with the glorious assurance or resurrection
5. Peter and John were BOTH unaware of these developments of a rolled stone AND a missing tomb
6. Peter and John were staying together at least that Sunday. Or one paid the other an early morning visit.

Lessons we can learn from this statement IN RETROSPECTION:

1. By the time Mary saw the stone rolled away, Jesus already RESURRECTED and the stone had been cast away from the tomb.

2. Mary knew “NOT” that Jesus' body was not in the tomb any more or that He had already resurrected. Therefore, retrospectively we, know for sure that Mary was only THINKING that Jesus’ body was “taken away” and was reburied—“laid”, somewhere else.

Therefore absolutly correct:
<<<Mary SUSPECTED the body had been taken away>>>!!!
Hurray! Marvellous! He’s seen the light!

Vooks really sees it! . . .
<<<Mary could not connect an empty tomb with the glorious assurance or resurrection>>>!

Yes, for sure . . .
<<<Peter and John were BOTH unaware of these developments of a rolled stone AND a missing tomb>>> BECAUSE JESUS HAD RESURRECTED..

But surely not so sure <<<Peter and John were staying together at least that Sunday. Or one paid the other an early morning visit.>>>

. . . in any case, what does it matter?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

That is exactly how disjointed your gibberish of theology sounds. How old are you?

You claim Mary visited the tomb alone first some 6 hours before the women.

Can you explain the events between these two visits?
Did Peter and John visit the tomb between the visits or after?

Illustration
Is it
Mary Alone<~~~~~6hrs~~~~~>at least 3 women~~~>Peter and John

Or
Mary Alone<~~~~~6hrs~~~Peter and John~~~~>at least 3 women

Ten Visits


At the Tomb



















1. The Interment

John 19:41
Now in the place where he was crucified
Ehn de en tohi topohi hopou estaurohtheh

there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre,
kehpos, kai en tohi kehpohi mnehmeion kainon

wherein was never man yet laid.
en hohi oudepoh oudeis ehn tetheimenos.

Mark 15:46d
Joseph laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of rock.
Iohsehph katethehken auton en mnehmati ho ehn lelatomehmenon ek petras.

Luke 23:53
He laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone,
Houtos Ethehken auton en mnehmati lakseutohi

wherein never man before was laid.
hou ouk ehn oudeis oupoh keimenos

Matthew 27:60
Joseph laid it in his new tomb,
Johsehph ethehkan autohi en tohi kainohi autou mnehmeiohi

which he had hewn out in the rock . . .
ho elatomehsen en tehi petrai . . .
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Luke 23:55
And the women also followed after—
Katakolouthehsasai de hai gunaikes,

which came with him from Galilea,
haitines ehsan sunelehluthuiai ek tehs Galilaias autohi,

they beheld the sepulchre and how his body was laid.
etheasanto to mnehmeion, kai hohs etetheh to sohma autou.

Mark 15:47
And Mary Magdalene and Mary of Joses
Heh de Maria heh Magdalehneh kai Maria heh Iohsehtos

beheld where he was laid.
etheohroun pou tetheutai.

Matthew 27:61
And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary,
Ehn de ekei Mariam heh Magdalehneh kai heh alleh Maria

sitting over against the sepulchre.
kathehmenai apenanti tou tafon.

John 19:42
There therefore because of the Jews’ preparation,
Ekei oun dia tehn paraskeuehn tohn Ioudaiohn

for the sepulchre was nigh at hand, laid they Jesus.
hoti engus ehn to mnehmeion, ethehkan ton Iehsoun.
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Mark 15:46f
And he rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.
Kai prosekulisen lithon epi tehn thuran tou mnehmeiou.

Matthew 27:60
...and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre,
Kai proskulisas lithon megan tehi thurai tou mnehmeiou,

and departed.
apehlthen.

Luke 23:56a
And the women returned,
Hupostrepsasai de

and prepared spices and ointments.
hehtoimasan arohmata kai mura.

Luke 23:54
Because that day was the Preparation
Kai hehmera ehn Paraskeuehs

and the Sabbath drew on.
kai Sabbaton epephohsken.

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2. Tomb secured

Matthew 28:5a
Answering, the angel told the women . . .
Apokritheis de ho anggelos eipen tais gunaiksin:

Matthew 27:62
Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation,
Tehi de epaurion hehtis estin meta tehn Paraskeuehn

the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
sunehchthehsan hoi archiereis kai hoi Farisaioi
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saying, Sir, we remember
pros Pilaton, legontes: Kurie, emnehsthehmen

that that deceiver said while he was yet alive,
hoti ekeinos ho planos eipen eti dzohn:

(the) third day I wil rise again.
meta treis hehmeras egeiromai.
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Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure
Keleuson oun asphalisthehnai ton tafon

for as long as it is the third day
heohs tehs tritehs hehmeras

lest his disciples come by night,
mehpote elthontes hoi mathehtai nuktos

and steal him away and say unto the people,
klepsohsin auton kai eipohsin tohi laohi

he was raised from the dead;
ehgertheh apo tohn nekrohn kai

so the last error shall be worse than the first.
estai heh eschateh planeh cheirohn tehs prohtehs.
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Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch :
Epheh autois ho Pilatos: Echete koustohdian!

go your way, make it as sure as ye can.
Hupagete asphalisthase hohs oidate!
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So they went, and made the sepulchre sure,
Hoi de poreuthentes asphalisanto ton tafon

sealing the stone, and setting a watch.
sphragisantes ton lithon meta tehs koustohdias.
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3. The angel of the Lord and the Resurrection

Matthew 28:1
In the end of the Sabbath,
Opse de Sabbatohn

As it (the end of the Sabbath) began to dawn
tehi epifohskousehi

toward the first day of the week,
eis Mian sabbatohn

set out Mary Magdalene and the other Mary
ehlthen heh Mariam heh Magdaleneh kai heh alleh Maria

to see the sepulchre.
theohrehsai ton tafon
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And behold, there was a great earthquake:
kai idou seismos egeneto megas

for the angel of the Lord descending from heaven,
anggelos gar Kuriou katabas eks ouranou

came and rolled back the stone (from the door)
kai proselthohn apekulisen ton lithon [apo tehs thuras]

and sat upon it.
kai ekathehto epanoh autou.
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His countenance was like lightning,
Ehn de heh eidea autou hohs estrapeh

and his raiment white as snow;
kai to enduma autou leukon hohs chiohn.
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And for fear of him the keepers did shake,
Apo de tou phobou autou eseisthehsan hoi tehrountes

and became as dead.
kai egenehthehsan hohs nekroi . . .

Matthew 27:52b
Many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Kai polla sohmata tohn kekoimehmenohn hagiohn ehgerthehsan
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and came out of the graves after his resurrection,
kai eksehlthontes ek tohn mnehmeiohn meta tehn egersin autou

and went into the holy city and appeared unto many.
eisehlthon eis tehn hagian polin kai enephanisthehsan pollois.

Matthew 28:5a
. . . answered the angel the women and explained to them.
. . . apokritheis de ho anggelos tais gunaiksin.
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4. The Opened Tomb

John 20:1
The first day of the week
Tehi de Miai tohn sabbatohn,

cometh Mary when yet early dark it was,
Maria heh Magdaleneh erchetai proh-i skotias eti ousehs

unto the sepulchre and seeth the stone
eis to mnehmeion kai blepei ton lithon

taken away from the sepulchre,
ek tou mnehmeiou.
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Then she runneth
Trechei oun

and cometh to Simon Peter and to the other disciple,
kai erchetai pros Simohna Petron kai pros ton allon mathehtehn

whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them,
hon ephilei ho Iehsous, kai legei autois:

They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre
Ehran ton Kurion ek tou mnehmeiou

And we know not where they have laid him.
kai ouk oidamen pou ethehkan auton.
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5. Peter and John

John 20:3
Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple,
Eksehlthen oun ho Petros kai ho allos mathehtehs

and came to the sepulchre.
kai ehrchonto eis to mnehmeion ...
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Then cometh Simon Peter and went into the sepulchre.
Kai (Petros) eisehlthen eis to mnehmeion.
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Then went in also that other disciple
Tote oun eisehlthen kai ho allos mathehtehs

... and he saw and believed that as yet they knew not
... kai eiden kai episteusen oudepoh gar ehideisan

the Scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
tehn Graphehn hoti dei auton ek nekrohn anastehnai.
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[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

6. The Empty Tomb

Luke 24:1
Now upon the First Day of the week,
Tehi de Miai tohn sabbatohn

VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING
orthrou batheohs
Luke 23:55
they came unto the sepulchre ... and certain others with them,
epi to mnehma ehlthon (hai duo gunaikis) (kai tines sun autais)

bringing the spices which they had prepared.
pherousai ha hehtoimasan arohmata.
Luke 24:2
And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
Heuron de ton lithon apokekulismenon apo tou mnehmeiou.
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And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
eiselthousai de, oux heuron to sohma tou Kuriou Iehsou.
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And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout,
Kai egeneto en tohi aporeisthai autas peri toutohn:

behold, two men stood
kai idou, andres duo epestehsan

by them in shining garments.
autais en esthehti astraptousehi.
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As they were afraid
Emphobohn de genomenohn autohn

and bowed down their faces to the earth,
kai klinousohn ta prosohpa eis tehn gehn,
they said unto them,
eipan pros autas:

Why seek ye The Living among the dead?
Ti dzehteite ton Dzohnta meta to nekrohn?
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He is not here, but was raised: remember
Ouk estin hohde alla ehgertheh: mnehsthehte

how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, saying,
hohs elalehsen hehmin eti ohn en tehi Galilaiai, legohn,
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The Son of man must be delivered and be crucified
Ton Uion tou Anthrohpou hote dei paradothehnai

into the hands of sinful men
eis cheiras anthrohpohn hamartohlohn

and the third day rise again.
kai staurohthehnai kai tehi tritehi hehmerai anastehnai.
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And they remembered his words
kai emnehsthehsan tohn rhehmatohn autou.
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and returned from the sepulchre and told
kai hupostrepsasai apo tou mnehmeiou apehngeilan

all these things unto the eleven and to all the rest.
tauta panta tois hendeka kai pasan tois loipois.

Luke 24:13,19,22
Two of them ... said unto him, Certain women of our company
Duo eks autohn ... eipan autohi: Gunaikes tines eks hehmohn

which were early at the sepulchre ... astonished us,
genomenai orthrinai epi to mnehmeion ... eksestehsan hehmas,
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and not finding his body, they came, saying that
kai meh heurousai to sohma autou ehlthon, legousai

they had also seen a vision of angels
kai optasian angelohn heohrakenai
who said that he was alive.
hoi legousin auton dzehn.

Luke 24:10
It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna
Ehsan de heh Magdalehneh Maria kai Iohanna

and Mary of James and other women with them
kai Maria heh Iakohbou kai hai loipai sun autais

which told these things unto the disciples.
elegon pros tous apostolous tauta.
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And their words seemed to them as
Kai ephanehsan enohpion autohn hohsei

idle tales, and they believed them not.
lehpos ta rehmata tauta, kai ehpistoun autais. [Cf. Mark 16:8.]
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7. Peter has another look

Luke 24:24
And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre
Kai apehlthon tines tohn sun hehmin epi ta mnehmeion

and found it even so as the women had said:
kai heuron houtohs kathohs kai hai gunaikes eipon:

but him they saw not.
auton de ouk eidon.
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Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre;
Ho de Petros anastas edramen epi to mnehmeion

and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves,
kai parakupsas blepei ta othonia keimena mona,

and departed, wondering in himself
Kai apehlthen pros auton heauthaumadzohn

at that which was come to pass.
to gegonos.
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8. Women return to “see again”

Mark 16:2
And very early in the morning the First Day of the week
Kai lian proh-i tehi Miai tohn sabbatohn

they came upon the sepulchre
erchontai epi to mnehma

at the rising of the sun.
anateilantos tou hehliou.
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And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away
Kai elegon pros heautas, Tis apokulisei hehmin ·

the stone from the door of the sepulchre?!
ton lithon ek tehs thuras tou mnehmeiou?!
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And when they looked again, they saw that
Kai anablepsasai theohrousin, hoti,

the stone was cast away uphill :
anakekulistai ho lithos

despite it was very great.
ehn gar megas sfodra.
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Again entering into the sepulchre, they saw
Kai eiselthousai eis to mnehmeion eidon

a young man sitting on the right side,
neaniskon kathehmenon en tois deksiois

clothed in a long white garment
peribeblehmenon stolehn leukehn

And they were frightened.
Kai eksethambehsehsan.
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And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted :
Ho de legei autais· Meh ekthambeisthe!

Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth which was crucified :
Iehsoun dzehteite ton Nadzarehnon ton estaurohmenon.

He was raised [is risen]; he is not here :
Ehgertheh, ouk estin hohde;

Behold the place where they laid him.
ide ho topos hopou ethehkan auton!
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But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter
Alla hupagete eipate tois mathehtais autou kai tohi Petrohi

that he goeth before you into Galilee :
hoti proagei humas eis to Galilaian.

there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.
Ekei auton opsesthe kathohs eipen humin.
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And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre;
Kai ekselthousai ephugon apo tou mnehmeiou,

for they trembled and were amazed :
eichen gar autas tromos kai ekstasis.

neither said they anything to any(one);
Kai oudeni ouden eipan,

for they were afraid.
ephobounto gar.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

9. FIRST APPEARANCE

John 20:11
But Mary had had stood after at the sepulchre without
Maria de heistehkei pros tohi mnehmeiohi eksoh

weeping; and as she wept, she stooped down into the spulchre
klaiousa; hohs de eklaien parekupsen eis to mnehmeion
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and seeth two angels in white sitting,
kai theohrei duo angelous en leukois kathedzomenous,

the one at the head, and the other at the feet
hena pros tehi kephalehi kai hena pros tois posin

where the body of Jesus had lain.
hopou ekeito to sohma tou Iehsou.
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And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou?
Kai legousin autehi ekeinoi: Gunai, ti klaieis?

She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord,
Legei autois, hoti ehran ton Kurion mou,

and I know not where they have laid him.
kai ouk oida pou ethehkan auton.
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And when she had thus said, she turned herself back,
Tauta epousa estrapheh eis ta opisoh

and saw Jesus standing,
kai theohrei ton Iehsoun hestohta,

and knew not that it was Jesus.
kai ouk ehidei hoti Iehsous estin.

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Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou?
Legei autehi ho Jehsous: Ginai, ti klaieis?

Whom seekest thou? She supposing him to be the gardener,
Tina dzehteis?Ekeineh dokousa hoti ho kehpouros estin,

saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence,
legei autohi: Kurie, ei su ebastasas auton,

tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him.
eipe moi pou ethehkas auton, kagoh auton aroh.
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Jesus saith unto her, Mary!
Legei autehi Jehsous: Mariam!

She turned herself, and saith unto him,
Strapheisa ekeineh, legei autohi Hebraisti:

Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Rabbouni (ho legetai didaskale).
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Jesus saith unto her, Don’t stay here by me;
Legei autehi Iehsous: Meh mou haptou,

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
oupoh gar anabebehka pros ton Patera.

But go to my brethren, and say unto them,
Poreuou de pros tous adelphous mou, kai eipe autois:

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;
Anabainoh pros ton Patera mou kai Patera humohn

and to my God, and your God.
kai Theon mou kai Theon humohn.
Mark 16:9

Thus, risen,
Anastas de

Jesus early the First Day of the week
proh-i Prohtehi sabbatou

appeared first to Mary Magdalene.
ephaneh prohton Mariai tehi Magdalehnehi.

John 20:18
Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples
Erchetai Mariam heh Magdalehneh anggelousa tois mathehtais

that she had seen the Lord,
hoti: Heohraka ton Kurion;

and that he had spoken these things unto her.
kai tauta eipen autehi.

Mark 16:10
And she went and told them
Ekeineh poreutheisa apehngeilen tois

that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
met’ autou genomenois, penthousi kai klaiousin.

And they, when they had heard that he was alive
Kakeinoi akousantes hoti dzei

and had been seen of her, believed not.
kai etheatheh hup’ autehs ehpistehsan kai ouk episteusen autehi.
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10. SECOND APPEARANCE

Mary Magdalene therefore was not with them when the other women together with Joanna and Mary of James had gone to the sepulchre again where . . .

Matthew 28:5a
. . . answered the angel the women and explained to them...
. . . apokritheis de ho anggelos eipen tais gunaiksin . . .

Fear not ye:
Meh phobeisthe humeis:

for I know that ye seek Jesus which was crucified.
Oida gar hoti Iehsoun ton estaurohmenon dzehteite.
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He is not here because he was raised as he said.
Ouk estin hohde; ehgertheh gar kathohs eipen.

Come in! See the place where the Lord lay.
Deute idete ton topon hopou ekeito.
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Indeed rather, Go quickly and tell his disciples
Kai tachu poreutheisai eipate tois mathehtais autou

that he was raised and is risen from the dead!
hoti ehgertheh apo tohn nekrohn.

And behold, he goeth before you into Galilee;
Kai idou proagei humas eis tehn Galilaian;

there will you see him.
ekei auton opsesthe.

Behold, I command you!
Idou eipon humin!
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And they departed quickly from the sepulchre
Kai apelthousai tachu apo tou mnehmeiou

with fear and great joy
meta phobou kai charas megalehs

and did run to bring his disciples word.
edramon apangeilai tois mathehtois autou.
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And as they went to tell his disciples,
Hohs de eporeuonto appangeilai tois mathehtais autou,

behold, Jesus met them, saying,
Kai idou Iehsous hupehntehsen autais

Hail, joy!
legohn: Chairete!

And they came and held him by the feet
Hai de proselthousai ekratehsan autou tous podas

and worshipped him.
kai prosekunehsan autohi.
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Then said Jesus unto them,
Tote legei autais ho Iehsous:

Be not afraid : Go!
Meh phobeisthe : Hupagete!

Tell my brethren
Appangeilate tois adelphois mou

that they go into Galilee; there will they find me.
hina apelthohsin eis tehn Galilaian, kakei me opsontai.
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[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Nonsense
This is what Mary reported in first person
John 20:2 (ESV)
They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him.”

My bible even has quotation marks indicating her speech

But your Afrikaan (per)version has this
John 20:2 (APV)
"somebody rolled away the stone!"

This is NOT <<<what Mary reported in first person>>>. That was what Mary told Peter and John THAT SHE, THOUGHT.

Or Mary lied because they have NOT taken the Lord out of the Tomb.

And you must also lie because you claim and insist that that was what Mary <reported> for fact.

 

[vooks]

This is NOT <<<what Mary reported in first person>>>. That was what Mary told Peter and John THAT SHE, THOUGHT.

Or Mary lied because they have NOT taken the Lord out of the Tomb.

And you must also lie because you claim and insist that that was what Mary <reported> for fact.

Thinking shouldn't be a nightmare.
Mary reports a missing body not an open tomb.
I doubt you want to spend another forty years banging your head against this TRUTH.

At this point nobody knew WHY the body was missing. Was it eaten up by animals, stolen and re-buried elsewhere?

Whatever reason they had for the missing body, it had to INVOVLE living men because;
1. Animals could not roll away the stone
2. Dead bodies at least in Israel (not sure about Zuma land) remain in the same place and position unless 'compelled by an external force- Newton's Law of INERTIA
3. Jesus resurrected

#3 is problematic because ALL the disciples were in various states of unbelief concerning Jesus resurrection. None expected it. So we are left with #2.

If Mary visits alone (she was not) at night, you can bet she was not bringing the guards apples. She wanted to get in and anoint her master's body, finish the job they had stArted.

So when she finds an open tomb, she does the most natural and commonsensical thing, peep inside. This is corroborated by her account in John of a missing body. It is further corroborated by Mark's account. The women relieved upon finding the rock rolled off the entrance GOT IN. Why would Mary in the same situation run like mad from the open tomb without as much as looking in?

You think she fears ghost or something?

Your gibberish garbage 'harmonizing' of the resurrection account. is built on the silliest argument from silence I have heard in decades

 

[vooks]

Lessons we can learn from this statement IN RETROSPECTION:

1. By the time Mary saw the stone rolled away, Jesus already RESURRECTED and the stone had been cast away from the tomb.

2. Mary knew “NOT” that Jesus' body was not in the tomb any more or that He had already resurrected. Therefore, retrospectively we, know for sure that Mary was only THINKING that Jesus’ body was “taken away” and was reburied—“laid”, somewhere else.

Therefore absolutly correct:
<<<Mary SUSPECTED the body had been taken away>>>!!!
Hurray! Marvellous! He’s seen the light!

Vooks really sees it! . . .
<<<Mary could not connect an empty tomb with the glorious assurance or resurrection>>>!

Yes, for sure . . .
<<<Peter and John were BOTH unaware of these developments of a rolled stone AND a missing tomb>>> BECAUSE JESUS HAD RESURRECTED..

But surely not so sure <<<Peter and John were staying together at least that Sunday. Or one paid the other an early morning visit.>>>

. . . in any case, what does it matter?

Nonsense.
Mary KNEW of a missing body from an empty tomb not a rolled stone!
She wrongly but sincerely guessed the cause of a missing body to be men.

Why should an open tomb startle Mary to run back and report to Peter and John while the women gladly move in to finish their job?

It means an open tomb in and of itself provides no conclusive evidence of anything! Besides, Mary reports a missing body. That's scriptures not this Afrikaan garbage translation

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Thinking shouldn't be a nightmare.
Mary reports a missing body not an open tomb.
I doubt you want to spend another forty years banging your head against this TRUTH.

At this point nobody knew WHY the body was missing. Was it eaten up by animals, stolen and re-buried elsewhere?

Whatever reason they had for the missing body, it had to INVOVLE living men because;
1. Animals could not roll away the stone
2. Dead bodies at least in Israel (not sure about Zuma land) remain in the same place and position unless 'compelled by an external force- Newton's Law of INERTIA
3. Jesus resurrected

#3 is problematic because ALL the disciples were in various states of unbelief concerning Jesus resurrection. None expected it. So we are left with #2.

If Mary visits alone (she was not) at night, you can bet she was not bringing the guards apples. She wanted to get in and anoint her master's body, finish the job they had stArted.

So when she finds an open tomb, she does the most natural and commonsensical thing, peep inside. This is corroborated by her account in John of a missing body. It is further corroborated by Mark's account. The women relieved upon finding the rock rolled off the entrance GOT IN. Why would Mary in the same situation run like mad from the open tomb without as much as looking in?

You think she fears ghost or something?

Your gibberish garbage 'harmonizing' of the resurrection account. is built on the silliest argument from silence I have heard in decades

I have finished with you.

But while saying cheers, thanks for having exposed and proven yourself in your posts for what you truly are. Your 'arguments' are clear and unmistakable testimony to your and their own character and integrity.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I am now going to have a two hours long shower.

 

[vooks]

I have finished with you.

But while saying cheers, thanks for having exposed and proven yourself in your posts for what you truly are. Your 'arguments' are clear and unmistakable testimony to your and their own character and integrity.

Don spew that nonsensical garbage anywhere near humanity