What is your final authority?

[StefanM]

You can believe that you have salvation fully, yes.

However, it is completely impossible to have absolute, objective certainty of anything before experiencing it, and even then, you could be fooled. But I don't want to play the philosophical skeptic here, what you just threw in was a red herring. You aren't addressing the main issue. Your interpretations are still faulty in areas. All of ours are.

 

[KJVBibleThumper]

Originally posted by StefanM:
I go by my interpretation, but my final authority--the One by whom we are judged, is God.

You are STILL evading!! How do you know how to consult with your final authority? I can see what He said by going to my (error free,thank you very much) final authority,the King James Bible. I believe every word it says there.

 

[StefanM]

Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StefanM:
I go by my interpretation, but my final authority--the One by whom we are judged, is God.

You are STILL evading!! How do you know how to consult with your final authority? I can see what He said by going to my (error free,thank you very much) final authority,the King James Bible. I believe every word it says there. </font>[/QUOTE]Irrelevant. Even if you have a perfect version, you can still have incorrect interpretations.

 

[Askjo]

Originally posted by StefanM:
I do not believe God has promised to preserve His Word as a Bible.

Then you reject the doctrine of the preservation as read Psalm 12:6-7.

 

[KJVBibleThumper]

Originally posted by StefanM:
You can believe that you have salvation fully, yes.

However, it is completely impossible to have absolute, objective certainty of anything before experiencing it, and even then, you could be fooled. But I don't want to play the philosophical skeptic here, what you just threw in was a red herring. You aren't addressing the main issue. Your interpretations are still faulty in areas. All of ours are.

How is my interpritation of Psalm 12:7 in error. So you ARE saying I cant have complete certainty of my salvation?

 

[StefanM]

Originally posted by Askjo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StefanM:
I do not believe God has promised to preserve His Word as a Bible.

Then you reject the doctrine of the preservation as read Psalm 12:6-7. </font>[/QUOTE]No, I reject your interpretation. I believe that God will preserve them--the people, not the words.

 

[Askjo]

Originally posted by StefanM:
I don't believe Psalm twelve is referring to preserving His Word in any form.

If He did preserve it, it is in heaven.

That is why you reject Psalm 12 in the KJV. Funny, ASV agrees with the KJV.

 

[StefanM]

I am saying it is completely impossible to have absolute, objective certainty of your salvation, yes. You will say the Bible says if you believe you are saved, and I will agree. However, you enter the realm of subjectivity when you say that you believe and are thus saved. I'm saying you have subjective belief and certainty, but not 100% absolute, objective certainty.

 

[KJVBibleThumper]

Originally posted by StefanM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StefanM:
I go by my interpretation, but my final authority--the One by whom we are judged, is God.

You are STILL evading!! How do you know how to consult with your final authority? I can see what He said by going to my (error free,thank you very much) final authority,the King James Bible. I believe every word it says there. </font>[/QUOTE]Irrelevant. Even if you have a perfect version, you can still have incorrect interpretations. </font>[/QUOTE]How is "thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever" in error?

 

[KJVBibleThumper]

Originally posted by StefanM:
I am saying it is completely impossible to have absolute, objective certainty of your salvation, yes. You will say the Bible says if you believe you are saved, and I will agree. However, you enter the realm of subjectivity when you say that you believe and are thus saved. I'm saying you have subjective belief and certainty, but not 100% absolute, objective certainty.

So according to you Gods Word is nonexistent.

 

[StefanM]

Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StefanM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StefanM:
I go by my interpretation, but my final authority--the One by whom we are judged, is God.

You are STILL evading!! How do you know how to consult with your final authority? I can see what He said by going to my (error free,thank you very much) final authority,the King James Bible. I believe every word it says there. </font>[/QUOTE]Irrelevant. Even if you have a perfect version, you can still have incorrect interpretations. </font>[/QUOTE]How is "thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever" in error? </font>[/QUOTE]It refers to people, not words.

 

[StefanM]

Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StefanM:
I am saying it is completely impossible to have absolute, objective certainty of your salvation, yes. You will say the Bible says if you believe you are saved, and I will agree. However, you enter the realm of subjectivity when you say that you believe and are thus saved. I'm saying you have subjective belief and certainty, but not 100% absolute, objective certainty.

So according to you Gods Word is nonexistent. </font>[/QUOTE]No, I believe God's Word is existent. However, I cannot prove it such.

 

[KJVBibleThumper]

Originally posted by StefanM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Askjo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StefanM:
I do not believe God has promised to preserve His Word as a Bible.

Then you reject the doctrine of the preservation as read Psalm 12:6-7. </font>[/QUOTE]No, I reject your interpretation. I believe that God will preserve them--the people, not the words. </font>[/QUOTE]Where are you getting this? Chapter and verse please.

 

[KJVBibleThumper]

Originally posted by StefanM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StefanM:
I am saying it is completely impossible to have absolute, objective certainty of your salvation, yes. You will say the Bible says if you believe you are saved, and I will agree. However, you enter the realm of subjectivity when you say that you believe and are thus saved. I'm saying you have subjective belief and certainty, but not 100% absolute, objective certainty.

So according to you Gods Word is nonexistent. </font>[/QUOTE]No, I believe God's Word is existent. However, I cannot prove it such. </font>[/QUOTE]So,there is a Bible but you dont know where it is or what it looks like. At least I am dead sure I have it in my hands.

 

[StefanM]

Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StefanM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Askjo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StefanM:
I do not believe God has promised to preserve His Word as a Bible.

Then you reject the doctrine of the preservation as read Psalm 12:6-7. </font>[/QUOTE]No, I reject your interpretation. I believe that God will preserve them--the people, not the words. </font>[/QUOTE]Where are you getting this? Chapter and verse please. </font>[/QUOTE]Psalm 12:5--the people God will preserve as is stated in Psalm 12:7. Psalm 12:6 is an interjection affirming the purity of the Lord's promise.

 

[David J]

KJVBT,

Tell you what,you write a paper with scriptural support for your position and post it and I will as well(like im doing).
plus I resent the accusation that I am brainwashed. I am thinking for myself here okay?

I would like to see your paper when you are done. I have my testimony etc... that will be on my new website as soon as I am done with the research work.

As a former KJVO, I know that you do not have scripture to support KJVOism without twisting scripture out of context. What ever scriptures that you provide I will just apply them to the Geneva Bible and you my friend are in some serious trouble. Go ahead and I will apply everything you say to the Geneva Bible and then you explain to me why I should accept the KJV over the Geneva and support your claims with scripture.

KJVOism is noithing but brainwashing. Speak up and ask why modern KJVOist are using a corrected KJV instead of the true AV1611 and see what happens to you in a KJVO church. Ask why the Apocrypha is not read from since it is in the perfect and inerrant AV1611. Don't take my word for it....give it a try and see what happens. You will either be brainwashed by KJVO distortions and evasions or you will be shunned as a trouble maker simply because you ask the question "why do we not use the true AV1611 when we say that we are AV1611?"

 

[StefanM]

Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StefanM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StefanM:
I am saying it is completely impossible to have absolute, objective certainty of your salvation, yes. You will say the Bible says if you believe you are saved, and I will agree. However, you enter the realm of subjectivity when you say that you believe and are thus saved. I'm saying you have subjective belief and certainty, but not 100% absolute, objective certainty.

So according to you Gods Word is nonexistent. </font>[/QUOTE]No, I believe God's Word is existent. However, I cannot prove it such. </font>[/QUOTE]So,there is a Bible but you dont know where it is or what it looks like. At least I am dead sure I have it in my hands. </font>[/QUOTE]I do not believe that God's Word (as I was using it) is contained in a Bible.

 

[David J]

Guys read Psalm 12 in context please!

In context Psalm 12 in very clear that it is people and not words. By the way the AV1611 has a very interesting side note... don't take my word for it look for yourself.

If KJVO assumptions about Psalm 12's preservation are right then it must only apply to the first AV which is the AV1611. So you mighht want to drop that 1762/1762/1850 KJV and pick up the true preserved words(every word in the AV1611).

 

[Askjo]

Originally posted by StefanM:
I believe that God will preserve them--the people, not the words.

You are MVO against the KJV.

 

[KJVBibleThumper]

Originally posted by StefanM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StefanM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StefanM:
I am saying it is completely impossible to have absolute, objective certainty of your salvation, yes. You will say the Bible says if you believe you are saved, and I will agree. However, you enter the realm of subjectivity when you say that you believe and are thus saved. I'm saying you have subjective belief and certainty, but not 100% absolute, objective certainty.

So according to you Gods Word is nonexistent. </font>[/QUOTE]No, I believe God's Word is existent. However, I cannot prove it such. </font>[/QUOTE]So,there is a Bible but you dont know where it is or what it looks like. At least I am dead sure I have it in my hands. </font>[/QUOTE]I do not believe that God's Word (as I was using it) is contained in a Bible. </font>[/QUOTE]So,you do believe that Gods Word is on earth,you just dont know where it is or in what form it is.
And from your point of view you are debating inferior versions with no substance vs. other of more of the same. Interesting.