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What makes a religious group "demonic"

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rockytopva

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Here's what Calvin says about Servetus. "For what particular act of mine you accuse me of cruelty I am anxious to know. I myself know? not that act unless it be with reference to the death of your great master, Servetus. But that I myself earnestly entreated that he might not be put to death his judges themselves are witnesses, in the number of whom at that time two were his staunch favourers and defenders. But I have said quite enough about myself." Calvin's Calvinism Translated Henry Cole P-346

Also the State, not the Church killed for treason. It was a war. How you judge is how God will judge you.

Demons?
“And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.” 2 Timothy 2:26 (KJV 1900)

Only the truth set us free. Having a false Christ and false religion make you a sitting duck. Even the most correct and loving person can be made sick. All who came to Jesus for healing were believers.
Like William Seymour I....

1. Begun Baptist
2. Continued Pentecostal
3. Will more than likely finish Holiness

The problem is an age old one... Going out of the Spirit into the flesh. Not everyone Pentecostal speaks in tongues as the Holy Spirit gives utterance. I would attend mountain Pentecostal revivals in the long ago in which one pastors wife would scream when the spirit would come upon here. I have often wondered where that screaming originated... The Spirit? The flesh? Or the Devil? When I give my testimony on how the Pentecostal revival blessed me I must go back decades in the past. For I do not sense the same Spirit as I experienced decades ago....

George Clark Rankin - Rockytopva Testimony

Innocence from evil.... George Clark Rankin would enjoy quality revival in his teenage years. When he begun the university he would run into characters who would destroy his innocence and I could not find happy countenance on the man from there on. He goes on to say....

Up to this time, as I have already indicated, my faith was simple, confiding and unquestioning. It was the faith of my childhood.Then it was that Colonel Burkett assumed to speak. He was a man of strong intellect, well trained and widely read. He was not a religious man. The following is the substance of his deliverance:

"Wallace has not only made a mistake, but he has acted against common sense and reason. There is nothing in religion except tradition on the outside and emotion on the inside. The Bible is not a book to be believed. It is full of discrepancies and contradictions. The Old Testament is horrible. There are things in it that shock decency, to say nothing of a man's sense. The New Testament comes to us by a sort of accident. When King James appointed his commission to collate the manuscripts they threw out some of them and one or two of the present gospels came very nearly being discarded. They were retained by a very narrow majority. A number of the epistles, ascribed to Paul's authorship, were never written by him and they are not entitled to belief. They are a jumble of incongruous writings brought down from an ignorant age, and they are not in keeping with the intelligence of the race. The age has outlived them; they belong to a period filled with ignorance and superstition. Christ, if he ever lived, was a good man, but misguided and died as the result of his fanaticism. Wallace has only written himself down a fool by giving up a good law practice to enter the ministry."

But imagine the effect of all this on my innocent mind. It knocked me into smithereens. I had never dreamed of anything like that I had heard. It aroused all sorts of feelings and all sorts of questionings. It flung me headforemost out into a stormy sea without rudder or compass. The waves grew tumultuous about me. I was almost engulfed.

I arose and went to bed, but I did not go to sleep. I tossed from side to side filled with fear and misgivings. I thought of my mother and her faith; then it occurred to me that mother was just like myself. She had never seen anything of the world, had never read many books and was not an educated woman. She, maybe, was liable to mistakes. The man whom I had heard talk was an educated man; he had informed himself in history; he had traveled; he was a much smarter man than his father, and maybe he knew things that the rest of us did not know. He saw nothing in the Bible to call forth his faith and a number of the others seemed to agree with him. He did not even accept Christ as his Savior. And yet I was starting out to prepare myself to preach this gospel and to hold up Christ to men and women. Is it possible that after all there is nothing in it? Can it be that the whole thing is a fable, as my learned friend had argued? It was one of the most miserable nights I ever spent in my life.
 

Yeshua1

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OK. UPC is an offshoot of the Assembly of God about 100 years ago, as you know. They have always been called a cult. They have been segregated internally. The white division is mostly called "Jesus Only" by the public while the black division is called apostolic I think. They resemble the Jehovah's Witnesses in that the UPC believes only in Jesus while the JWs believe only in Jehovah.

The UPC speaks in tongues. We know that these tongues are demonic because the UPC has another Jesus.

Why are they demonic? All cults preach a false gospel that leads souls to hell. Their doctrine may have been contrived by men in Hazelwood, MO, but they belong to the kingdom of darkness, the epitome of demonism. I cannot be alarmed that a court ruled against them. The SBC has a powerful political lobby in DC--let them spend millions to retry the case or pass new law.
They were kicked out of the AOG, when some of the ministers had a "revelation: that no Trinity, Jesus is all 3, water Baptism must be in Jesus name only, and must speak in other tongues to be saved!
 

Yeshua1

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Interesting. The normal position of the church is asleep I think. We don't think that Jesus should have taken a whip to the moneychangers and talked about white-washed tombs. We are too nice to rock the boat. That's the reason that we are more and more irrelevant.
We have the Trojan Horses of things like Word of Faith demonic doctrines right in our midst, cults used to be outside the Churches, not right inside!
 

Yeshua1

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Is the UPC the only denomination that you feel this way about?

What other denominations do you think are demonic?
I would say who are teaching doctrines of Demons? Well, Rcc, Mormons , Jw, Sda, WoF to name a few!
 

Yeshua1

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Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! - Matthew 18:7

I would really pray over my approach before I would accuse someone of being demonic!
Their doctrines and theology came straight from Satan!
 

Yeshua1

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I think any who disagree with the Trinity and Deity of Christ have the Spirit of Antichrist according to John. Not just the Jews, but JWs, Oneness, and the more well-known cults. I take it further on a personal level to include those who reject the present spiritual kingdom looking instead for the physical kingdom of the Pharisees. Which = a different Christ. If the kingdom didn't come yet, neither did the king.
That ;ast statement would be borderline heretical statement though, as we can disagree on the second coming, as the Apostles and many of the ECF looked forward to the coming Millennium of Christ!
 

rockytopva

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That ;ast statement would be borderline heretical statement though, as we can disagree on the second coming, as the Apostles and many of the ECF looked forward to the coming Millennium of Christ!
I used to enjoy and listen into WMUZ in Detroit for the few years I lived in Michigan in the early 80's. I used to love the inner city preaching and sermons with the late and great RW Schambach. They still have a variety of preachers last time I checked.
 

1689Dave

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Like William Seymour I....

1. Begun Baptist
2. Continued Pentecostal
3. Will more than likely finish Holiness

The problem is an age old one... Going out of the Spirit into the flesh. Not everyone Pentecostal speaks in tongues as the Holy Spirit gives utterance. I would attend mountain Pentecostal revivals in the long ago in which one pastors wife would scream when the spirit would come upon here. I have often wondered where that screaming originated... The Spirit? The flesh? Or the Devil? When I give my testimony on how the Pentecostal revival blessed me I must go back decades in the past. For I do not sense the same Spirit as I experienced decades ago....

George Clark Rankin - Rockytopva Testimony

Innocence from evil.... George Clark Rankin would enjoy quality revival in his teenage years. When he begun the university he would run into characters who would destroy his innocence and I could not find happy countenance on the man from there on. He goes on to say....

Up to this time, as I have already indicated, my faith was simple, confiding and unquestioning. It was the faith of my childhood.Then it was that Colonel Burkett assumed to speak. He was a man of strong intellect, well trained and widely read. He was not a religious man. The following is the substance of his deliverance:

"Wallace has not only made a mistake, but he has acted against common sense and reason. There is nothing in religion except tradition on the outside and emotion on the inside. The Bible is not a book to be believed. It is full of discrepancies and contradictions. The Old Testament is horrible. There are things in it that shock decency, to say nothing of a man's sense. The New Testament comes to us by a sort of accident. When King James appointed his commission to collate the manuscripts they threw out some of them and one or two of the present gospels came very nearly being discarded. They were retained by a very narrow majority. A number of the epistles, ascribed to Paul's authorship, were never written by him and they are not entitled to belief. They are a jumble of incongruous writings brought down from an ignorant age, and they are not in keeping with the intelligence of the race. The age has outlived them; they belong to a period filled with ignorance and superstition. Christ, if he ever lived, was a good man, but misguided and died as the result of his fanaticism. Wallace has only written himself down a fool by giving up a good law practice to enter the ministry."

But imagine the effect of all this on my innocent mind. It knocked me into smithereens. I had never dreamed of anything like that I had heard. It aroused all sorts of feelings and all sorts of questionings. It flung me headforemost out into a stormy sea without rudder or compass. The waves grew tumultuous about me. I was almost engulfed.

I arose and went to bed, but I did not go to sleep. I tossed from side to side filled with fear and misgivings. I thought of my mother and her faith; then it occurred to me that mother was just like myself. She had never seen anything of the world, had never read many books and was not an educated woman. She, maybe, was liable to mistakes. The man whom I had heard talk was an educated man; he had informed himself in history; he had traveled; he was a much smarter man than his father, and maybe he knew things that the rest of us did not know. He saw nothing in the Bible to call forth his faith and a number of the others seemed to agree with him. He did not even accept Christ as his Savior. And yet I was starting out to prepare myself to preach this gospel and to hold up Christ to men and women. Is it possible that after all there is nothing in it? Can it be that the whole thing is a fable, as my learned friend had argued? It was one of the most miserable nights I ever spent in my life.
He still mixed voodoo with the Baptist views and got kicked out of the Church of God (Anderson) for trying it. (Curtis Edwards).
 

1689Dave

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That ;ast statement would be borderline heretical statement though, as we can disagree on the second coming, as the Apostles and many of the ECF looked forward to the coming Millennium of Christ!
No kingdom = no Christ. The Amillennial Christ is not the same as the physical kingdom version by any stretch. Things are worse than you might think. The born again can see the kingdom. That should tell you quite a bit.
 

Yeshua1

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I used to enjoy and listen into WMUZ in Detroit for the few years I lived in Michigan in the early 80's. I used to love the inner city preaching and sermons with the late and great RW Schambach. They still have a variety of preachers last time I checked.
That man was wrong in his theology big time! Thankfully still have sound teachers like Maggee, Swindol, Sproul. and macArthur on it!
 

Yeshua1

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No kingdom = no Christ. The Amillennial Christ is not the same as the physical kingdom version by any stretch. Things are worse than you might think. The born again can see the kingdom. That should tell you quite a bit.
There are saved in both A mil and pre Mil neither heresy just different!
 
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