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What mans religion teaches about faith and repentance !

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Brightfame52

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@Silverhair

As I said you can keep saying it but it does not make it true.
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Yes it is true, a reconciled person to God is saved and God is at peace with them Col 1:20

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Isa 52:7

How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
 
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Brightfame52

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@Silverhair

BF you choose to ignore the best part of the verse you quote.
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
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No I haven't ignored it, glad you noticed it, because it tells us that the saved reconciled shall experience further saving from Christs Life, saved from the power of sin. Reconciliation is saved from the penalty of sin, but the reconciled one shall also be saved from the power of sin inwardly.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they do disparage the death and blood of Christ ! What they are saying whether they know it or not is Christs blood alone was inadequate to Justify them for whom it was shed. This does contradict Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
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So you continue to ignore the biblical truths that offend you.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Rom 10:13 For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved."

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

As seems to be the norm with those of the C/R view you continue to ignore scripture or you just cherry pick what you think supports your view and ignore everything else.

Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Justified does not means that we have been saved. If it did then all would be saved {1Jn 2:2} which is universalism, a heresy. What you are claiming is heresy BF.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
@Silverhair



No I haven't ignored it, glad you noticed it, because it tells us that the saved reconciled shall experience further saving from Christs Life, saved from the power of sin. Reconciliation is saved from the penalty of sin, but the reconciled one shall also be saved from the power of sin inwardly.
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One is either saved or they are not.

But according to you one is a little bit saved then latter fully saved. You have a strange view of salvation.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
One is either saved or they are not.

But according to you one is a little bit saved then latter fully saved. You have a strange view of salvation.
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False, one is saved presently, and shall be saved in the future, Salvation has an yet future phase not yet expereinced by the saved. Paul as a saved man wrote Rom 13:11

And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Now I know you are in the dark about bible salvation and its phases. Paul says there is a salvation to attain after believing.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
False, one is saved presently, and shall be saved in the future, Salvation has an yet future phase not yet expereinced by the saved. Paul as a saved man wrote Rom 13:11

And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Now I know you are in the dark about bible salvation and its phases. Paul says there is a salvation to attain after believing.
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Note the common word BF "SAVED". As I said one is saved or not saved, yet you seem to have a problem with understanding that.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
What am I ignoring BF. Point out what I have ignored in those verses.

You make numerous charges but do not provide any support for those charges.

You are starting to sound like a hollow log when people bang on. You make lots of noise but in means nothing.
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I can show you a scripture that says something, and you can see it, you just ignore it. I just told you the saved shall yet be saved in the future, and you cannot comprehend that. Is Paul looking forward to another phase of salvation in the future here ? Rom 13:11

11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
I can show you a scripture that says something, and you can see it, you just ignore it. I just told you the saved shall yet be saved in the future, and you cannot comprehend that. Is Paul looking forward to another phase of salvation in the future here ? Rom 13:11

11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
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BF are they saved then resaved later on or were they saved when they trusted in Christ and continue to be saved unto our final salvation, being taken home to be with the Lord.

You are so confused that it is impossible for you to actually understand what the word of God means.

You will twist any verse to make it fit your false religion.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
BF are they saved then resaved later on or were they saved when they trusted in Christ and continue to be saved unto our final salvation, being taken home to be with the Lord.

You are so confused that it is impossible for you to actually understand what the word of God means.

You will twist any verse to make it fit your false religion.
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You just dont get it, no sense in showing you scripture, you cant receive it.
 
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Brightfame52

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When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they are introducing works into the equation. These acts or human actions become equal determinants for Salvation/Justification which robs Christ of His Glory and gives prideful man an occasion to boast !
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they are introducing works into the equation. These acts or human actions become equal determinants for Salvation/Justification which robs Christ of His Glory and gives prideful man an occasion to boast !
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Act 16:30 And he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
Act 16:31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

The Word of God proves you are wrong.

But since you have shown over and over that you trust a man-made philosophy more than the bible you will deny what it says.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Act 16:30 And he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
Act 16:31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

The Word of God proves you are wrong.

But since you have shown over and over that you trust a man-made philosophy more than the bible you will deny what it says.
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Paul didnt mention that there were any conditions, that would be works
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Charlie24 said:
The condition is "to Believe." The jailer had to meet the condition of believing to be saved.

This is not a in the head belief, it's a belief from the heart as Paul has said elsewhere.
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BF and a few others on the board do not seem to have the ability to get beyond the C/R mindset. They are trusting a religion that factually comes from pagan teachings rather than the word of God.
 
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