Ok, "all men everywhere" are a select group, taken from all men everywhere.
That makes perfect sense, BF.
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Ok, "all men everywhere" are a select group, taken from all men everywhere.
That makes perfect sense, BF.
Brightfame52
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Yeah biblical sense, like all the seed which is same as elect Rom 4 16
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Where do you see in Scripture that confirms "all men everywhere" is referring to a select group and not all of humanity?
Not asking for your thoughts or your opinion, I want to see the confirmation.
Silverhair
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There you go reading your divine determinism into the text again.
You are trying to make your C/R religion the standard of truth and it is not. C/R is a man-made religion whose base is paganism. Even just a bit of research will show your that truth but you will not do it as it would then require you to throw out your carefully crafted religion.
Brightfame52
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You dont understand the God of the Bible Ps 33:6-9
6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
8 Let all the earth fear the Lord: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Silverhair
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If you go back and read Gen 1:1-31 you just might start to understand what Psa 33:6-9 is speaking about.
It seems you are the one struggling with biblical understanding BF.
Silverhair
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So your a universalist now. See what happens when you ignore context BF.
The more you try to support your religion the deeper the hole you dig. Bit of advise, stop digging.
Brightfame52
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Again, you dont understand Gods commanding Power.
Brightfame52
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False accusing now
Silverhair
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Like I have said a number of time BF, you need to stop pulling verses out of context or cherry picking verses that you think support your religion.
Your treat the word of God like a smorgasbord, pick a little here and a little there to fill up your false religion plate. It would seem you are trusting yourself rather than the word of God.
Silverhair
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Just responding to what you posted BF.
Brightfame52
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When God in His Power commands, its a done deal. Its a commanding let there be light and it was light 2 Cor 4:6
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
Thats the Gospel Light being revealed to Gods elect
Thats why He is a light unto the Gentiles Isa 49 6
Isaiah 49:6
And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
Lk 2:32
A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.
Silverhair
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You continue to read your religion into the word of God. You have a religious bias and then you go looking for verses that you think support your view.
Yes God commanded the light to shine in the world and those that receive that light will be saved. Where you error is that you think that light was only for the special picked out B4 creation elect of your false religion.
If this is what 40 plus years of study has lead you to then you have wasted your time.
Brightfame52
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You continue to prove to me that you havent the slighest clue of the Power of Gods Commanding 2 Cor 4:6
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
If God shines something In our hearts at His Command, then we received it into our hearts by His command, duh
Brightfame52
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Primarily mans religion says that man must do something or he will be lost, that apart from him doing something, salvation isnt possible. All man made religion is under the delusion that they are alive to God, not understanding that by nature we are dead to God. Man was murdered in the garden when he disobeyed God in Adam, and so Jesus called him a murderer Jn 8:44
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Man lost life with God, hes therefore dead to God !
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Man lost life with God, hes therefore dead to God !
What do you think this means, BF?
Titus 2:11
"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,"
Who are the "ALL" here?
Just consider this BF. If the Gospel of Jesus Christ has appeared/been presented to all men on earth, and we know all men are not saved, is it possible that some have accepted that Gospel and some have rejected it?
Silverhair
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BF read the context. The light shines into the heart of those that have believed. The light of Jesus shines in all the world John 1:9, then by your view all people should be saved, universalism. But that is not what we see is it.
The reason Paul served the church and proclaimed the gospel was because of God’s work in his life. Much as in creating the world God acted to bring light out of darkness Genesis 1:2-4, so in spiritual creation He brings light to the hearts of those in darkness. Acts of the Apostles 26:18. The light in believers’ lives is the knowledge of God’s salvation. When people were in the darkness of sin, they had no knowledge of God, no experience of His life and salvation. Ephesians 4:18 BKC
Brightfame52
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The elect.
LOL, ok BF! You believe what you believe, I'll leave it at that.