canadyjd
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Gershom said:Peter did. Three times.
Peter had not yet received Holy Spirit.
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Gershom said:Peter did. Three times.
J. Jump said:The overall context of I John is not eternal salvation. That's where a great many make their mistake.
Actually each time you sin you are denying Christ as Lord. Every sin says I am lord of my life. Christians can deny Christ and in fact there are a great many that do.
canadyjd said:Peter had not yet received Holy Spirit.
peace to youraise:
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Not in his heart he didn't. He lied three times to save his skin from harm, but that is not the same sin as disowning Him in the heart.Gershom said:Peter did. Three times.
J. Jump said:Actually each time you sin you are denying Christ as Lord. Every sin says I am lord of my life. Christians can deny Christ and in fact there are a great many that do.
Bro Tony said:It has been stated before on this board that genuine Christians will not willfully sin against God. If a person willfully sins against God that proves they were never truly saved. That the Bible teaches that sin is a willful act of disobedience against God, it is clear that when we as Christians sin we do so because we choose to. The poll and the discussion for this thread is what sins are truly born again Christians capable of?
Bro Tony
Gershom said:He was a believer, nonetheless.
Marcia said:Depends on what you mean by a believer. At this point, Peter was not indwelt by the HS and had no power from the HS. He was unregenerate.
We can see in the gospels how consistently the disciples were weak, did not understand most of what Jesus said, and were basically clueless most of the time. They didn't get it until after the HS came upon them. What a difference that made!
StraightAndNarrow said:Peter denied Christ 3 times.
StraightAndNarrow said:So you're saying that Christ's followers including the deciples were not saved even after His Resurrection but before Pentacost?
I don't agree with that perspective.
They didn't have to wait for pentecost for salvation.
J. Jump said:Are you saying that the disciples were not saved until after the death of Jesus?
canadyjd said:John 20:22 states that Jesus met with the disciples on the day of His resurrection and breathed on them, saying "Receive the Holy Spirit".
They didn't have to wait for pentecost for salvation.
peace to youraise:
Lk 24.49
"And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high."
Acts 1.8
but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth."
Act 4.33
And with great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was upon them all.
Sin is a transgression of the law. One deliberately disobeys or transgresses the law. Nobody forces him to do so. And when that happens he does not lose his salvation. "He that keepeth the whole law and yet offends in one point is guilty of all." Have you lied? Even one time in your Christian life? Then you are just as guilty as the murderer or the adulterer. You are just as guilty as having broken every one of the Ten Commandments. You choose to lie. You choose to sin. Does that mean you are not a Christian? I hope not. If that were the case, every one posting on this board would be unbelievers.standingfirminChrist said:Paul wrote in Romans 7:
And John wrote:
Looking at these two verses, I do not believe that the true child of God will willfully commit sin.
DHK said:The question is: Do you agree with what the Bible says:
Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Marcia said:No, I am not denying Christ when I sin. I may not be acting the way I should, but I vigorously disagree that I deny the true Christ as does an atheist, heretic, Buddhist, New Ager, apostate, Mormon, etc.
I used to deny the true Christ consistently before I was saved because I rejected the need for a Savior and did not believe he was the Savior as far as man's sins go. I had a New Age Jesus. Yes, at that time, I was denying Christ. Not now. No way.