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What Time Is It?

Discussion in 'Fundamental Baptist Forum' started by Two Wings, Oct 28, 2021.

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  1. Two Wings

    Two Wings Well-Known Member

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    huh?

    you believe the rapture has already happened?
     
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    As I said, it happens after the resurrection on the last day.
     
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    then who are the Jews who "clean up" after Armageddon? Most of 'em are destroyedn in that battle, yes?
     
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    1 Thess 4:16-17 ...

    the rapture IS the resurrection of those who died in Christ in order. I suppose technically, you're right, but practically there's no difference. We're not talking hours/days/months/years between the resurrection of the dead in Christ and those who remain being changed in an instant and caught up to meet Him in the air.
     
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    You are making the mistake (typical) of forcing a physical interpretation onto a spiritual book. In fact, adding to it something that is not there. Armageddon is a symbol of spiritual warfare.
     
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    Thinking this verse shows amil shows profound ignorance of Christ's teaching about the kingdom of God and prophecy. "The kingdom of God is within you" (Luke 17:21), but David's throne was and is physical.

    And I'm ignoring you again. Your nastiness has already come out on this thread, and I want nothing to do with it. And you show profound ignorance of dispensationalism when you link it falsely to Roman Catholicism.
     
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    Peter says it is in heaven today if you study his sermon in Act 2. Plus this detail from among many.

    “And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)
     
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    hmm

    what else in prophesy is exclusive of the physical realm? the gathering of of the Jews?

    is all physical manifestations of prophesy complete at the crucifixion of Christ?

    I believe we'll soon learn about the deal with Armageddon. As I wrote above, the Abraham Accords (which is continuing in spite of the Obama Doctrine) is SUPER radical. I mean ... an Israeli airline overflying Saudi Arabia???? Two years ago I'd have belly laughed at you for suggesting such ... in my profession now and 30 years ago ... I have a unique perspective of just how RADICAL this overflight IS. I'm not exclusive in my understanding, but clearly this is being overlooked by some as relevant to "what time is it."
     
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    We are Israel, so any prophecy you think pertains to the former Jews, pertains to us.
     
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    Please ignore me unless you are willing to have your views challenged.
     
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    As I'm learning .... there's the orthodox Jew and the secular Jew as you've also mentioned.

    we're not all migrating to the nation of Israel ... but we who are not ethnic Jews ARE grafted into the Commonwealth by Christ Himself.

    There are prophesies of Israel which have yet to be fulfilled, but will be very soon.

    The consolidation of power "among the nations" is another prophetic statement which will result in the 10 kings under one ruler. It's happening now. A universal church led by the false prophet is being established. A model for Temple Mount is being constructed in UAE right now.

    an unholy trininty in Satan, Antichrist, False Prophet. wheat and the tares.
     
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    Here's how it works. God removed the unbelieving Jews from Isreal leaving the believers. He then grafted believing gentiles into their place, namely Us. So we are Israel and the unbelievers are not. They are gentiles under God's wrath until the end of the world. But many convert to Christ and rejoin Israel, i.e. the Church.
     
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    To anyone tempted to believe the canard that dispensationalism was invented by Roman Catholics (not that that would make it false, logically speaking), I recommend Ancient Dispensational Truth: Refuting the Myth that Dispensationalism is New, by James C. Morris (2018).
     
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    Spot on! And we are the circumcision ...

    2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the concision:
    3 for we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God, and glory in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh: Phil 3
     
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    Then what is Lipid, Israel's current foreign minister? He's as "secular"/unbelieving as they come ... not removed yet.

    I understand some of what you're saying, but Christ said Himself He came not to abolish the Law but to fulfill it, and He arrived at the appointed time as was given to Daniel.

    So we've been under the "age of Grace" for almost 2000 years ... with Christ's Baptism in 26 AD ... which is another substantiation in the precision of God's timing/order/plan.

    we've not seen God's wrath since Christ's resurrection. God corrects us ... orchestrates our steps ... but we who are in Christ are not appointed to His wrath ... that would be the house against the house (I forget where that's written off hand)
     
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    There was no Millennium between the Cross and now. That is what Jesus taught. In fact it has been 1991 years.

    That is why preaching the coming Millennium exist now since the Cross is wrong.
     
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    I thought the Jesuits invoked pre-mill? The Pharisees taught what Amil teach if they were pre-mill. Jesus did come before such a time period that both amill and Pharisees teach. The issue with the Pharisees is that they totally rejected the first coming and still thought the kingdom started in the first century like amil teach.

    BTW, Paul was a Pharisee. So you must be right that Paul teaches in all His writings Premillennialism. Amil should not use any of Paul's writings to point out Amil. That would be hypocritical.

    To Paul as a Christian Pharisee, the Second Coming starts the Millennium. To the rest of the first century Pharisees, the Second Coming is still the first coming to them, in theory. The Millennium will happen at that point, regardless of the first century Pharisees' ability to see that there would be two comings of Jesus.

    The first century Pharisees were amil in practice, if they were pre-mill in thought. They were amil in timing, since they rejected Jesus. Today's amil just reject the timing, and claim the first coming proves there is no future kingdom after the Second Coming.

    Today's amil should not shift their error onto the Pharisees to prove a point. They only had the OT writings to go by. Amil should know better because they have the whole Word of God.
     
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    The Jesuits laid the groundwork for Dispensationalism. Do your homework.
     
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    This is not true. You have it exactly backward. Do your homework.
     
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    Hint: There is no millennium. It is a false Pharisee Doctrine. A-Mill = No Millennium.
     
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