What Time Is It?

[timtofly]

Aye. I am learning there is much about the Roman Catholic church which departed MIGHTILY from St. Peter's teachings.

one of the things my good friend has said ... to which I cannot substantively object; The Nigerians major in the spiritual, but falter in the knowledge of God (God's Word). We in the West (Protestants in particular) major in the knowledge, but the 'things of the Spirit' are not known to us because we pursue knowledge first/almost exclusively.

by "extra-bilblical revelation" surely you cannot mean the understanding given to the "terminal" generation as told by Gabriel to Daniel. this tells me that the words/message does not change over the 2500 years, but our understanding DOES as The Spirit reveals it.

Let me ask this ... dispensationalism. I've read "the dispensation of grace" ... "law" ... "conscious" each being applied to The Church (2000 years), The Law (2000 years), and Conscious (2000 years)

Is this what you mean/is meant? Perhaps this is a deception, but if it is, it certainly fits with one of the timelines which isn't as specific as the Daniel timelines, but certainly validates the cadence/timing/order. Echoing the creation timeline ... 6 days of creation and 1 day of rest = 6000 years of man's dominion and the 1000 year reign of Christ. The completeness of "three" x 2000 year periods (dispensations?)

What is it they say about a coincidence, trend ... ???

"120 years and My Spirit will strive with man no more." Genesis 6. I used to understand that to be a reference to the length of a man's life post Flood. While that seems to be a general truth, I have learned this is actually a reference to the number of Jubilee Years of man's dominion. 50 years in a Jubilee year ... multiplied by 120. The product of which is 6000.

At 6000 years, man will no longer have dominion over the planet ... and will no longer strive with God because he'll either be destroyed with The Destroyer ... or will be an heir with Christ & no longer will sin reign in the mortal body because the corruptible will have donned the incorruptible. Again, the lion/lamb in the pasture signifying the peace which is restored to the earth.

If I were you, go back to accepting 120 as the new life span. Noah was not visited 120 years prior to the Flood and given a countdown.

This false teaching destroys the not knowing part of their destruction. Noah never preached a countdown to destruction.

The only countdown was given in Genesis 7:4

"For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth."

God told us what we need to know in Exodus 20. The 4th Commandment tells us to Remember Creation and to not let human understanding come between God's Word and what we claim as knowledge. Especially since what we are taught today is so far removed from Genesis. Even the "120 year warning" made up by human theory.

Some may even say knowing the exact end of 6000 years is a precarious position, in light of many false claims of the end coming without the end actually coming.

I would point out that we are getting close to 2030, exactly 2000 years since the Cross. But the margin of error, with human time keeping still cannot give us a specific date to go by. Especially the more variables of alledged verification are added to the most simple point. I also think most are wrong about Daniel 9:27. It is not about 7 years. It is simply a week of days.

 

[timtofly]

You are making the mistake (typical) of forcing a physical interpretation onto a spiritual book. In fact, adding to it something that is not there. Armageddon is a symbol of spiritual warfare.

How many Armageddons have you faced in the last month?

 

[1689Dave]

How many Armageddons have you faced in the last month?

You want to argue. I don't. See ya.

 

[timtofly]

This is not true. You have it exactly backward. Do your homework.

Just going by the homework of amil.

Amil come up with all this controversy to create more controversy.

Amil place barriers where none should be. That is their problem.

Amil are not Pharisees. They are the Saducees of the 22nd century.

 

[timtofly]

Hint: There is no millennium. It is a false Pharisee Doctrine. A-Mill = No Millennium.

Amil are the one's denying God's Word, hence Saducee in spirit.

 

[timtofly]

You want to argue. I don't. See ya.

Pointing out facts is arguing?

 

[Two Wings]

I would point out that we are getting close to 2030, exactly 2000 years since the Cross.

I think you're close ... the reference is Jesus' Baptism. That's when The New Covenant began. 26 AD.

I appreciate the rest of your post, too ... There are really only two "specific year" timelines ... the two in Daniel ... which arrive at 2026 on our calendar.

It's a consideration. Thanks for considering.

 

[Two Wings]

Review Ezekiel 43 and Numbers 19

more to follow this weekend.

 

[agedman]

I think you're close ... the reference is Jesus' Baptism. That's when The New Covenant began. 26 AD.

I appreciate the rest of your post, too ... There are really only two "specific year" timelines ... the two in Daniel ... which arrive at 2026 on our calendar.

It's a consideration. Thanks for considering.

Does God work through the gentile calendar, or the Jewish calendar?

 

[Two Wings]

Does God work through the gentile calendar, or the Jewish calendar?

That’s a good question.

It seems reasonably clear which calendar isn’t as relevant as that the time period is correctly identified with the correct anchors.

The folks who were alive when Jesus walked the planet didn’t use the Julian/gentile/BC-AD calendar, but the time period is the same.

That becomes a factor when using 360 days vice 365 days to define a “time” ... but the 42 months certainly reconciles that potential.

I’m offering that these two Daniel references are easy to see ... now in hindsight. Hindsight of the recreation of the nation state of Israel, the abomination standing in the holy place substantiated by EZ 42’s 300 reed wall separating the holy from the profane THING.

I think the “slop” in the 2026/27 timeline specifically relates to the Jewish new year being in the Fall of 2026. There’s no “slop” in God’s timeline, only in our understanding of it ... but it’s much more precise that it was 200 years ago, simply because we can now recognize the fig tree’s planting in 1947, budding in 1967 ... and the ... first fruit in/by 2027 ... and the end of the “strong generation.”

Thanks for your question. I don’t have all the answers, just sharing what I’ve had revealed in scripture. PRESS ON!

 

[Two Wings]

took me longer to get back here than I thought.

Saturday (the actual Sabbath for those keeping score) ... I attended a gathering of folks in North Texas led by Robert Mawire at the home of a "congregant." NO FEAR was the theme. But also an update and testimony about this event I referenced earlier in this thread.

bonehisrael.com .... a group in Texas has been coordinating with Rabbis from the Temple Institute in Jerusalem. As you can see from the listing, 2 Rabbis visited Comanche, TX this summer.

Turns out another fellow heard about this. This man who had felt called to start a Red Angus herd back in the early 80s (1980 IIRC) contacted Mawire a couple months ago. The two Rabbis were returning to inspect prospects elsewhere, but as their host, Mawire suggested they visit this man east of Dallas.

The Rabbis inspected the prospect and found disqualifying traits (adjacent white hairs, IIRC). The rancher was distraught. He was SURE he had "the red heifer." Mawire says that he offered a few words and then prayed with him under a big oak tree in the pasture. Then they started walking back to the ranch house when they came across a momma who'd just given birth to ... a heifer. She was still cleaning the little rascal. One of the ranch hands fetched the Rabbis who then did their inspection. She met the very detailed quals and declared that animal to be worthy!

Now here is where the story goes crazy cool ... as if that isn't sufficiently amazing.

Of course, the men were thrilled and the rancher in particular was a bit weak knee'd. Some years ago (if Mawire indicated the year, I missed it) this rancher had consigned to him a substantial sum of diamonds ... by a Jewish jeweler. So this is how the rancher funded his ranch! LOL (side joke: how to make a small fortune raising cattle? start with a large one)

Mawire was telling about the Israelites return from their 70 year captivity. Reinitiating the regular sacrifices after the construction of the 2nd Temple ... but they'd been captive for 70 years, they didn't have a herd of their own from which to offer a qualifying red heifer. So ... they had to purchase the one they used; from a gentile diamond dealer.

So the red heifer will remain with her momma. after being weaned at 6 months, she'll make the journey to Jerusalem. What could possibly happen in the next 6 months to validate THAT?

Oh ... the story to fund this heifer's travel is pretty amazing too. But that for another post.

Keep an eye on Yerushaleim as they say it (I prob misspelled the phonetic pronunciation).

 

[Aaron]

Does God have a timeline? YES.

I agree there is a day appointed.

Can we know it? Does he want us to know it? I believe…YES.

No. No man knows that day or time.

The coming of Christ will be as in the days of Noah. Christ is the Ark, of course. Once the last of the elect has entered in, the Door will be shut and judgement will come.

 

[Aaron]

How many Armageddons have you faced in the last month?

Christ fights that one. Not me.

 

[Two Wings]

I agree there is a day appointed.

No. No man knows that day or time.

The coming of Christ will be as in the days of Noah. Christ is the Ark, of course. Once the last of the elect has entered in, the Door will be shut and judgement will come.

Noah knew the year. He apparently didn’t know he and his family/all those critters would be sealed for 7 days before the judgement.

No where has my post suggested having knowledge of the day or the hour ... but as Jesus said in that VERY same passage ... we’d know the season.

I appreciate your post. Let’s continue to occupy until He comes ... and BE occupied during that occupation ... and LOOK UP every now and again.

 

[Stephen Green]

I made reference to this question in another post/thread.

I searched for a specific topical section of the BBS and didn't find it ... Mods, I expect this post to be moved if I've overlooked a better "address" for this topic. I will accept that correction.


Does God have a timeline? YES.

Can we know it? Does he want us to know it? I believe…YES.

He told Daniel this in chapter 12:9,10: “And the angel said, ‘Go your way, Daniel, for the words are concealed and sealed up UNTIL the end of time. Many will be purged, purified (made white) and refined, but the wicked will behave wickedly. None of the wicked shall understand, but those who are [spiritually] wise WILL UNDERSTAND’.”

 

[Stephen Green]

Ezekiel’s Temple was meant to be the Second Temple, if the people repented, but they didn’t. It was as conditional a prophecy as Jonah’s was to Nineveh. Great article summarizing about this here:

https://m.beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2013/10/ezekiels-temple-will-never-be-built-mike-clinton-2454162.html

I have just bee notified the Temple Institute has located 3 qualifying "red heifers" and arrangements are being made to have them shipped.

I'll divulge more when they are safely delivered ...

I wanted to share, however, the Jews are moving forward with their plans for the 3rd Temple.

yes ... I recognize the resumption of the regular sacrifice will do nothing but kill a lot of animals and create a big stink. Yes, I realize my body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.

yes, I realize The Bible says there will be a 3rd Temple built. Ezekiel and John both measured and described it and things about it. So, it's coming.


What time is it?

 

[37818]

In 31AD the 14th of Nisan (referenced in Mark 14:12) fell on a Monday Julian date March 26th.

 

[Two Wings]

Ezekiel’s Temple was meant to be the Second Temple, if the people repented, but they didn’t. It was as conditional a prophecy as Jonah’s was to Nineveh. Great article summarizing about this here:
https://m.beforeitsnews.com/prophec...will-never-be-built-mike-clinton-2454162.html
Ezekiel's Temple Will Never be Built - Mike Clinton | Prophecy | Before It's News

Thanks for the post.

if there is no 3rd Temple, where is Antichrist going to declare to be God? Where does he kill the Two Witnesses if not outside this 3rd Temple?

interesting interpretation that Ez 43 is a Temple which wasnt built …. Yet a Second WAS built and presumably in the same period as “the one which should have been”

that seems a little off to me. I will study on this more.

 

[Stephen Green]

Thanks for the post.

if there is no 3rd Temple, where is Antichrist going to declare to be God? Where does he kill the Two Witnesses if not outside this 3rd Temple?

interesting interpretation that Ez 43 is a Temple which wasnt built …. Yet a Second WAS built and presumably in the same period as “the one which should have been”

that seems a little off to me. I will study on this more.

Hi. Why are you asking about Antichrist declaring to be God? That's not in the Bible. The man of lawlessness does that. Nor does "the Antichrist" kill the two witnesses. The Beast does, but the Beast is very much not "the antichrist." Mistaken identity issue?

1 John 2 alone speaks of antichrist, in fact, many antichrists that had come, and he says this is because the "last hour" had at that time finally come. But the fact that there were many antichrists means that there is no "the antichrist", so it's inappropriate to call the man referred to in 2 Thess 2 as "the" antichrist, though "an" antichrist is acceptable.

The man who would exalt himself in the temple is the "man of lawlessness, the son of destruction", and Paul is explicit to note that this man is revealed when "the rebellion" occurs. There is only one man associated with the Temple and the beginning of a rebellion -- that is Anunus ben Anunus, the high priest who led the Great Revolt of Judea, which lasted exactly 42 months (Rev. 11). This man was responsible for the stoning of James the Brother of Christ, who was known as "James the Just" and "The Teacher of Righteousness" -- it is very appropriate, then, that the agent of James' destruction was known as the Man of Lawlessness, who made the rules up as he went along, picking and choosing which mitzvot to obey and even inventing his own laws, thus playing God with the divine Torah.

This man also headed the rebel Judean government and was therefore a proper "antichrist" in that he was opposed to Christ's rule of the Jews -- he was a fake messianic leader. He was also the one responsible for causing Temple sacrifices to cease, and he also was responsible for the Zealot Temple Siege in 68, which set the stage for its final destruction in AD 70.

If these events have not occurred in the past, and scriptural prophecy is unfulfilled (though the Gospels, the Epistles and Revelation all say these events were imminent in the 1st century, and our Lord Himself was explicit that they would come within the generation), then we have yet to have the hope of a heavenly resurrection after death. But the testimony of the early church does not bear this out.

There is no physical third temple prophesied in the Bible. Christ himself is our Temple. (Jn. 2:19-21).

 

[Two Wings]

Daniel 11 tells of this king (THE antichrist) who blasphemes God in the Temple and demands to be worshipped.

You're right, I was mistaken in my comment about the murderer of the Two Witnesses. Thanks for that correction.

But if all these time periods of Daniel have already passed ... where are we today? Where have we been the last 2000 years? Certainly not the millennium reign with Christ. If this is that ... we've been fooled big time about this entire theology/doctrine/existence.

Never heard of Anunus ... that doesn't mean he didn't' exist, (It's only been 5 years that I've been aware of the 1536 decree to restore Jerusalem by Suleiman the Magnificent) I'm unconvinced this man is the reference of Daniel 9/11, or 2 Thess 2. I don't doubt he was a bad dude. I've also recently read about the probability a handful of Jewish rabbis wrote the koran ... in their hatred for Christianity. The ultimate straw man if you will, used by Satan himself.

The final destruction ... of the 2nd Temple ... in 70AD. Prophesied by Christ Himself as He left the structure for the last time.

I don't understand how your suggestion of unfulfilled prophesy means we have no hope of a heavenly resurrection after death. Jesus did that and ... therefore ... gave the model. All that on which you've just educated me on this Anunus fellow doesn't invalidate that. I believe "the generation" Jesus referenced is the one which saw the rebirth of Israel ... in 1947.

I believe this because of the application/understanding of the "Days of Daniel," that all "these things" (pestilences, wars/rumors of wars (worldwide), earthquakes in various places, natural disasters ... and the division among all relationships) haven't been seen in the same period since then as now/last 10 years. The birth pangs weren't in 70AD. They are now. ... Actually, the birth pangs are done. The Child of the Man Child is about to be born --- we (The Church) are about to be 'born' into this Blessed Hope as The Man (Jesus) was 2000 years ago (26 AD)

I do not suppose to "know it all" ... but denying the construction of the 3rd Temple seems more improbable every day. The orthodox Jews rightly understand God will inhabit that building... but they've missed in thinking it'll be the first time since the Tabernacle days. The Temple Institute rabbis have vetted a red heifer here in Texas just in the last 6 weeks ... she'll be transported to Jerusalem when she's weaned.

The next 6 months will be quite interesting indeed.

So ... what time is it?

I'm now attaching a document a good friend of mine and I had been compiling for over a year. Jim gives a good outline of how the document was written. It is offered here without judgement, presumption, nor condemnation. But a consideration ...

God bless you brothers & sisters ... see ya soon

I think we all have parts correctly understood ... and until THAT DAY, we'll all have some "one-offs" ... but thanks be to God for his Amazing Grace!

Shalom!