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What type of a Baptist are you?
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OldRegular
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The simple truth is that if it were not for the electing Grace of GOD not one person would be saved.
So drop the other shoe will ya brother....that you are to be
On your knees thanking Him for making you one of the Elect....but of course that's unfair to the humanist thinking process. Ahhhhhh, but you ain't GOD so tough.:smilewinkgrin:
God is allowing sinners who refuse to receive christ to get 'thy will be done"
Amen, brother! Welcome! Sad that apparently "Baptist" isn't what it used to mean when I was growing up. :tear:
So are we to assume that you never encountered or even heard of Baptists while growing up that were :
non-IFB
non-KJVO
non-pretrib
non-premil
Hmmm...?
convicted1
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Old Regular Baptist
5-point Calvinist
Baptism via immersion
Acapella music...especially lined-out hymnodies
Non-paedobaptist
Open communion believer
5-point Calvinist
Baptism via immersion
Acapella music...especially lined-out hymnodies
Non-paedobaptist
Open communion believer
WARNING!! ---- With a post like this one, you just might be subject to being BANNED from BB!!
Other folks have been summarily banned for making such bold and brazen statements as this, my friend!!
:smilewinkgrin::smilewinkgrin::laugh::laugh:
The ONLY lable that honestly did not hear around Baptists until joining this Board was reformed ones!
evenifigoalone
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If I am neither Calvinist nor Arminian, does that make me Free Will? Or is there more to it than that?
If not, I have no idea what type of baptist I am. lol I'd guess SBC?
If not, I have no idea what type of baptist I am. lol I'd guess SBC?
Still Standing
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I know this is going to really bother some folks, but I don't believe that a Calvinist can even be a Baptist in the true sense of the word. John Calvin was certainly not a Baptist, so how does one call themselves by the name of a theologian who is NOT baptist, and still be a Baptist in theology? Calvin was influenced by Martin Luther, and Luther certainly wasn't Baptist. Luther says very plainly that he was heavily influenced in his own theology by the writings of Augustine, and anyone who has ever read Augustine's Confessions without pre-held suppositions knows that Augustine was an unregenerate Catholic by his own testimony.
A "Reformed" Baptist? A "Covenant Theology" Baptist? We may as well add "Charismatic" Baptist, Universal (catholic) Church Baptist or "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Baptists".
You can not be a protestant and a Baptist. The Baptists historically were never in the Catholic Church or the Church of England. They never tried to "Reform" or "Protest" the teachings of these churches from the inside, then came out. And that is what those terms historically refer to.
Every time I hear someone proudly and contentiously label their theology with another man's name, be it Calvin or Arminius or whoever, I can't help but think of the carnal, proud, bombastic church in 1 Corinthians. Two thousand years later, we never did really learn anything, did we?
A "Reformed" Baptist? A "Covenant Theology" Baptist? We may as well add "Charismatic" Baptist, Universal (catholic) Church Baptist or "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Baptists".
You can not be a protestant and a Baptist. The Baptists historically were never in the Catholic Church or the Church of England. They never tried to "Reform" or "Protest" the teachings of these churches from the inside, then came out. And that is what those terms historically refer to.
Every time I hear someone proudly and contentiously label their theology with another man's name, be it Calvin or Arminius or whoever, I can't help but think of the carnal, proud, bombastic church in 1 Corinthians. Two thousand years later, we never did really learn anything, did we?
What an interesting school:smilewinkgrin:
Welcome to BB.....SS-
How do you define.....a Baptist? If you say that you are a Baptist, and someone asks you what is that? how do you explain it to them?
So then, what is your definition of Baptist? And is reverand Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson Baptist Ministers?
So you are completely uninformed about Church History? Have you heard of Calvinistic Baptists such as : Basil Manly Sr and Junior, J.P. Boyce, P.H. Mell, John L. Dagg, John A. Broadus to name only a few from just the 19th century?
Do tell.
One's theology has to be more full-orbed than just a belief in credo-baptism. Unfortunately many who identify themselves as Baptists with a capital B are heterodox. It is not a badge of orthodoxy to merely be baptistic.
Anyone? Really? There are a number of conservative Baptist preachers and Bible scholars who certainly do not regard Augustine with your ill-informed contempt. They will readily acknowlege his shortcomings --but greatly value his tremendous contributions to the Faith once delivered.
Yes, merely saying one is a Baptist is not enough. There are many wearing the label who are outside the realm of biblical Christianity. The word "Baptist" is a catch-all term. It's not nearly descriptive enough.
Of course one can. You are without knowing it.
Ah, but history doesn't seem to be your strong suit.
Still Standing
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My definition of Baptist is going to be just that, “mine”. I realize this. To me, “Baptist” is historically not a denomination but a core collection of Biblical beliefs held by certain people carrying different labels down through the centuries. They were never part of any organized, central religion, such as Catholicism or the Church of England or the Dutch Reformed Church. They have always been “separatist” in practice, fundamentalist in theology and minority in number. They hold to belief in the plenary inspiration of scripture, the virgin birth of Jesus, the trinity, the deity of Christ, salvation by grace through faith in the blood of Christ, total submersion baptism of a professing believer as a visible testimony of the new birth , eternal security of the believer and the second coming of Christ.
Many denominations hold most or all of these points in some form or another. Of course I know this. The thing is, at least to my way of thinking, to understand what a historical Baptist is it’s sometimes easier to figure out what he is not.
What do I mean by that?
What is coffee? To know the true essence of coffee in this day and age, you’re often gonna’ have to remove everything else first. Let’s remove the whipped cream, the chocolate, the milk, the sugar and the pumpkin spice and we are able to finally taste the actual coffee. You say “But I got it at a Starbuck’s Coffee Shop and it was clearly labeled “coffee”. Well, there was coffee in it, but you couldn’t recognize it for all of the other stuff that had been added to it. Yet it still carried the label “coffee”, and even a faint hint of the flavor.
We say “But I got this doctrine at a Baptist church and it said “Baptist” right on it”. Well, there may have been Baptist in it, but you couldn’t recognize it for all of the stuff added .
Reformed theology was an addition. Calvinism was a later addition. So was Arminianism, Covenant Theology, Replacement Theology… you get the picture.
I believe that if you can trace your theology to some specific fellow or fellows back in the dusty, dim eons of the Europe of the Reformation, men who came along 1000 to 1600 years after Christ and Paul, who were trying to sweep through the cobwebs of their own dead false church and find a new way, you are adding to the coffee. You are not a Baptist.
Now, having said all of that, let me say this. I am nobody. My views are mine own, and although they have been hard won and held dear over a lot of years down in the mud, the blood and the tears on the front lines in the ministry, they are just my views. And I am just…me. And while me doesn’t mind expressing his beliefs, views or opinions where adults are having a grown-up discussion, me is not interested in a fight.
Many denominations hold most or all of these points in some form or another. Of course I know this. The thing is, at least to my way of thinking, to understand what a historical Baptist is it’s sometimes easier to figure out what he is not.
What do I mean by that?
What is coffee? To know the true essence of coffee in this day and age, you’re often gonna’ have to remove everything else first. Let’s remove the whipped cream, the chocolate, the milk, the sugar and the pumpkin spice and we are able to finally taste the actual coffee. You say “But I got it at a Starbuck’s Coffee Shop and it was clearly labeled “coffee”. Well, there was coffee in it, but you couldn’t recognize it for all of the other stuff that had been added to it. Yet it still carried the label “coffee”, and even a faint hint of the flavor.
We say “But I got this doctrine at a Baptist church and it said “Baptist” right on it”. Well, there may have been Baptist in it, but you couldn’t recognize it for all of the stuff added .
Reformed theology was an addition. Calvinism was a later addition. So was Arminianism, Covenant Theology, Replacement Theology… you get the picture.
I believe that if you can trace your theology to some specific fellow or fellows back in the dusty, dim eons of the Europe of the Reformation, men who came along 1000 to 1600 years after Christ and Paul, who were trying to sweep through the cobwebs of their own dead false church and find a new way, you are adding to the coffee. You are not a Baptist.
Now, having said all of that, let me say this. I am nobody. My views are mine own, and although they have been hard won and held dear over a lot of years down in the mud, the blood and the tears on the front lines in the ministry, they are just my views. And I am just…me. And while me doesn’t mind expressing his beliefs, views or opinions where adults are having a grown-up discussion, me is not interested in a fight.
Still Standing
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To answer the other question above, all I know about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson is what I've seen on the news regarding their race baiting, trouble making histrionics. I know nothing about their church background. I do know I would never call either one of them "Reverend" just from what I see of their public life.
Amen and hallelujah! What breath of fresh air you are!
Still Standing
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First, my friend, ease up. It's OK. you don't have to agree with me, you don't have to even like me, but there's no need to get so wound up. I have a view different from yours, but I'm not your adversary.
Yes, I have heard of many "Calvinist Baptists of the 19th century". I never said there were never Calvinists who called themselves Baptist. I said I don't believe the label is accurate. You can call yourself whatever you want. Our president can call himself a conservative if he wants to. I would have to look at the history of the word "conservative" and just shrug. Oh, well.
No, I'm not a protestant. I don't protest the sins of "the mother church". I preach Jesus. I know what the word means and from whence it came. I'm not uneducated, my brother. Far from it. I preach and teach to the uneducated, unchurched, the lowly and the common, and I tend to simplify and illustrate because of that, but do not make the mistake of writing me off and condescending to me as an ignorant rube. I would not retaliate, of course, but you would give me great personal amusement as I read your posts.
I care nothing for the opinion of anyone else regarding Augustine. It does not invalidate my point. If they were caught up in the flowery language and missed what he actually said, they are not alone. He was a renown orator in his own day, and has been for centuries.
I do not hold one single belief because some other man does, or because it was taught to me. I have spent years with my Bible, my Webster's 1828 dictionary and a concordance, prayerfully searching out Biblical truth. Every single other book I ever read, every professor, teacher or pastor I have ever heard was laid out before the Lord and my Bible and put to the test. "God, is this true?"
So, to shake me, to convince me, to even irritate me a little bit, you will have to pull out something more than just " So-in-so says, teaches and believes..."
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