What type of a Baptist are you?

[Baptist4life]

........ still insist that you agree ....... but to admit that you read and agree with it is shameful b4l.

You're claiming something I never said! Don't put words in my mouth, please. I said I read it. I never said I AGREE with EVERYTHING in it......Now who's being dishonest? No, I don't agree with all the information there, but SOME OF IT is truth. The articles I linked to are against Calvinism <-----That I do agree with. I'm as opposed to Calvinism as you can get!

"Shameful", Rippon, is the way YOU speak to people on here. "Shameful" is the un-Christlike attitude you display to those who disagree. "Shameful" is the arrogance and condescension you display almost constantly when you post on any topic.


That is why I won't continue to dialogue with you. I just find you much too abrasive. Somewhere I don't want to go. I'll let God be my judge, not you. God bless.

 

[Rippon]

Don't put words in my mouth, please. I said I read it. I never said I AGREE with EVERYTHING in it.

You said "Whether you choose to accept it or not is up to you." Your statement is an endorsement of the lies of Reaves and Stewart.

No, I don't agree with all the information there, but SOME OF IT is truth.

Are you in the habit of going into trash to find your gems? Can't you exercise some degree of discernment? Would you go to an Islamic website to get your buried treasure?

I'm as opposed to Calvinism as you can get!

That's like saying you are as opposed to the Bible as you can get.

 

[Rippon]

I went to college in the 70s at Midwestern Baptist College and attended Emmanuel Baptist Church (Dr Tom Malone, pastor).

From all accounts a fine Christian man.

Again thousands of IFB members and none of them either Calvinist or Arminian. I work with an IFB church in Jane Lew, WV, same story. I could go on and on but, you get my point.

How do you know? Have you heard of the Calvary Churches which Chuck Smith founded? They claim to be neither Arminian or Calvinistic. But they certainly are the former.

As Baptist4Life pointed out with his links, true IFBs really do not want to be associated with either one of these doctrines.

Yet one of the authors that b4l submitted, Stewart openly agrees with Arminius for the most part.

I just happen to not be in either camp. Actually, not just camp, I'm not even in the same forest.

Something tells me that you would disagree with much of the Canons of Dort... thereby defaulting to the Arminian side of the ledger.

 

[Jerome]

Stewart can't even spell the word Arminian correctly some of the time.

One dispensing tiresome schoolmarm scolding might want to ponder one's own goofs in the same post:

differnce between Calvinism

a buden for souls

 

[Rippon]

One dispensing tiresome schoolmarm scolding might want to ponder one's own goofs in the same post:

Okay, noted. But I didn't publish an article that should have been proofed ahead of time.

 

[Bob Dudley]

Rippon:

Something tells me that you would disagree with much of the Canons of Dort... thereby defaulting to the Arminian side of the ledger.

This brings up a question I have always had with Calvinists - even one of my profs in seminary talked like you. You seem to be a reasonable person so, perhaps, you can give me an explanation.

Not to put words in anyone's mouth but, I'm going to put words in a Calvinist's mouth. I get the impression that a Calvinist world view goes something like this... On one end of the spectrum there are the 5 points of Calvinism. On the other end of the spectrum are the 5 points of Arminianism. And, everyone falls somewhere along this spectrum. Case in point, in the quote (above) you placed me in the Arminian camp - a place I am surely not comfortable hanging out in.

So, anyway, here's my question: Is my oversimplification of the Calvinist mindset (regards to Calvinism/Arminianism and all Christians) true? If this is true (even, generally true) can you elaborate on the rationale behind it?

I think, most Biblicists and Fundamentalists would not put themselves in either camp. As a matter of fact, most of them don't even know that you guys are having a family feud.

 

[Rippon]

This brings up a question I have always had with Calvinists - even one of my profs in seminary talked like you.

Oh yeah/ What seminary?

I think, most Biblicists and Fundamentalists would not put themselves in either camp. As a matter of fact, most of them don't even know that you guys are having a family feud.

You are quite right. I have never said that most would place themselves in either camp. Most would vehemently deny being either.

However, have you heard of the Free Presbyterian Churches? They are Fundamentalists but certainly strong Calvinists. And Detroit Theological Seminary has a Fundamentalist stamp while being strict Calvinists (not as much as an OPC --but still...).

 

[Bob Dudley]

I went to Capital Bible Seminary near Washington, DC. A place some of my more "radical" IFB friends would be adamantly against. As a matter of fact, one pastor would not hire me because I went there.

But, I really learned a lot and really enjoyed my time there.

 

[Bob Dudley]

If I recall, the professors divided themselves between Biblicists, Calvinists and "don't care"-ists. Oh, and Arminians need not apply.

 

[Yeshua1]

Rippon:

This brings up a question I have always had with Calvinists - even one of my profs in seminary talked like you. You seem to be a reasonable person so, perhaps, you can give me an explanation.

Not to put words in anyone's mouth but, I'm going to put words in a Calvinist's mouth. I get the impression that a Calvinist world view goes something like this... On one end of the spectrum there are the 5 points of Calvinism. On the other end of the spectrum are the 5 points of Arminianism. And, everyone falls somewhere along this spectrum. Case in point, in the quote (above) you placed me in the Arminian camp - a place I am surely not comfortable hanging out in.

So, anyway, here's my question: Is my oversimplification of the Calvinist mindset (regards to Calvinism/Arminianism and all Christians) true? If this is true (even, generally true) can you elaborate on the rationale behind it?

I think, most Biblicists and Fundamentalists would not put themselves in either camp. As a matter of fact, most of them don't even know that you guys are having a family feud.

So then most would be in the non Cal/non Arm camp?

They would neither believe that jesus died for a specific atonement towards his elecy, ot that he died for all sinners?

Don't you have to be one or the other?

 

[ktn4eg]

I'll just say that yours truly is a SAVED Baptist whose eternity with Jesus Christ has been absolutely guaranteed because God's Only Begotten Son shed His precious and saving blood for me.

Thus my eternal future is secure---not because of there being any good in me, because, apart from Christ, I have no righteousness. IOW, I am only a sinner saved by God's grace.

I'm not sure in what category of Baptist that puts me, but, whatever category of Baptist that may be, that's what type of Baptist I'll gladly claim to be.

(That's my story, and I'm sticking with it!)

----ktn4eg, saved on April 23, 1966

 

[Thousand Hills]

Don't you have to be one or the other?

No, don't you get it, they are "Independent" of all that non sense.

 

[Bob Dudley]

Thousand Hills, that was almost funny. IFBs believe:

The Bible is the inspired Word of God

Jesus was born of the virgin Mary

Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the entire world and, 3 days later, rose from the dead (both according to the Scriptures)

By the grace of God, faith alone, in Christ alone is the way to heaven

Jesus will return, bodily, in the last days.
​

Now, if a Calvinist or an Arminian believes any of that, well, even a broken clock is right twice a day. (that was almost funny, too)

 

[Baptist4life]

Thousand Hills, that was almost funny. IFBs believe:

The Bible is the inspired Word of God

Jesus was born of the virgin Mary

Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the entire world and, 3 days later, rose from the dead (both according to the Scriptures)

By the grace of God, faith alone, in Christ alone is the way to heaven

Jesus will return, bodily, in the last days.
​

Now, if a Calvinist or an Arminian believes any of that, well, even a broken clock is right twice a day. (that was almost funny, too)

:thumbs::thumbs::applause:

 

[OldRegular]

IFB--Mostly non Cal being 4-Pt Arminian
SBC--Mostly non Cal being 4-Pt Arminian
Reformed Baptist
Calvinistic Baptist--Plenty of those around for example (Christ Fellowship Baptist Church in Mobile, AL).
Free Will Baptist
American Baptist
Landmark Baptist
Primitive Baptists
Other

I sure hope there are no Free Will or American Baptists here. My guess most here are either SBC, IFB, Calvinistic, or Reformed baptists.

I am a Biblical Baptist. That means I an not dispensational and I believe in the Doctrines of Sovereign Election and Grace!

 

[Rippon]

No, don't you get it, they are "Independent" of all that non sense.

As Alan E. Kurschner has recently related:

"These individuals (synergists) will sincerely say, 'I believe in grace alone.' But in reality, they believe that grace is not alone (sufficient), but that the human will is necessary for regeneration to be effective."

"It could be said that these individuals are 'functional' Arminians because even though some will deny the label, their theology functions synergistically; thus how they identify themselves is inconsistent with what they teach and believe."

"Arminians cannot affirm monergism (grace alone); they must always have the creature's will as the final determiner of their destiny, not God."

 

[Yeshua1]

No, don't you get it, they are "Independent" of all that non sense.

they are free will/Arminian though in their beliefs, correct?

 

[Still Standing]

IFB
KJV only
pre-trib
pre-mil
eternal security
saved by grace
I'm sure not a Calvinist, not mean enough.
definitely am missions minded


Pastor of a small, new IFB church here in our little town that teaches the Bible, loves people, rejects compromise with the world while still meeting people where they are. He who said "neither do I condemn thee" also said "go and sin no more".

After reading many of the posts on here and trying to follow and sort out in my poor head the labels some of you self-affix, I am about of the opinion that all it takes these days to be a Baptist is to say "I'm a Baptist".

Bob Dudley, my dad graduated Midwestern in 1972

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

As Alan E. Kurschner has recently related:

"These individuals (synergists) will sincerely say, 'I believe in grace alone.' But in reality, they believe that grace is not alone (sufficient), but that the human will is necessary for regeneration to be effective."

"It could be said that these individuals are 'functional' Arminians because even though some will deny the label, their theology functions synergistically; thus how they identify themselves is inconsistent with what they teach and believe."

"Arminians cannot affirm monergism (grace alone); they must always have the creature's will as the final determiner of their destiny, not God."

I'd like for Calvinist to come out and admit that they believe God sends people to hell for being unable to do something he won't give them the ability to do in the first place.

For God so loved the elect?

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

IFB
KJV only
pre-trib
pre-mil
eternal security
saved by grace
I'm sure not a Calvinist, not mean enough.
definitely am missions minded


Pastor of a small, new IFB church here in our little town that teaches the Bible, loves people, rejects compromise with the world while still meeting people where they are. He who said "neither do I condemn thee" also said "go and sin no more".

After reading many of the posts on here and trying to follow and sort out in my poor head the labels some of you self-affix, I am about of the opinion that all it takes these days to be a Baptist is to say "I'm a Baptist".

Bob Dudley, my dad graduated Midwestern in 1972

Glad we are on the same page here bother.