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What verses say that faith is a gift that God gives man?

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Particular

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Faith from natural revelation is to all mankind, Romans 10:17-18. Now Romans 12:3 is arguably a matter of how one interprets it.
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Romans 10:17-20 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for “Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.” But I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says, “I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation; with a foolish nation I will make you angry.” Then Isaiah is so bold as to say, “I have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.”
 

Particular

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Paul could reject Him

If He interject in salvation He would interject and never let sin occur.

You say God is responsible for sin
So, Paul is more powerful than God because Paul makes the decisions.
Sorry, you are wrong. Let us not belittle God and His Supremacy.
 

MB

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No. The atonement is effective to all for whom Jesus died. You do not hold the magic effects tool that causes God's atonement to be effective. God determines to whom His atonement is effective and granted. He does this by His gracious choice.
Those for whom Jesus atonement is effectual will, by the atoning work in their lives, repent of their sins.
Rebels never repent. Rebels do not hold the power to make Jesus atonement effectual or non-effectual. To teach such a thing is to diminish the Supremacy of God and lift up the supremacy of man.
Maybe you'd like to show proof of your opinions. Show scripture that says all these things if you can. Especially about the atonement being only for the particular elect. There is no particular elect because God elects cooperatively. Christ died for the sins of the world That means every soul in the world. If it were just the particular elect then the Bible would say so and it does not.
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InTheLight

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Joshua was talking to the children of the promise, not to pagans when Israel declared who they would follow. God had already chosen them and delivered them into the Promised land.

Amos is writing to the chosen ones of Israel, not to the pagans. He is calling them back to repentance.

Now do your beloved Ezekiel 36 and the part about God regenerating hearts. Who was that written to?
 

Particular

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Maybe you'd like to show proof of your opinions. Show scripture that says all these things if you can. Especially about the atonement being only for the particular elect. There is no particular elect because God elects cooperatively. Christ died for the sins of the world That means every soul in the world. If it were just the particular elect then the Bible would say so and it does not.
MB
Revelation 5:9, Matthew 1:21, John 10:15, Ephesians 1:4, John 6:37-40, Isaiah 53, 2 Corinthians 5:21, Colossians 2:13-14, Hebrews 7:25

Limited atonement-is it biblical? | GotQuestions.org
 

Particular

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Now do your beloved Ezekiel 36 and the part about God regenerating hearts. Who was that written to?
To the elect. To the Israel of God. Paul clarifies to us who Israel is. Remember...not all Israel is Israel.
Ezekiel 36 has many parts to it, but I suspect you are referring to the New Covenant passage, which is very similar to Jeremiah's comments about the New Covenant and are repeated in Hebrews.
 

loDebar

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No. The atonement is effective to all for whom Jesus died. You do not hold the magic effects tool that causes God's atonement to be effective. God determines to whom His atonement is effective and granted. He does this by His gracious choice.
Those for whom Jesus atonement is effectual will, by the atoning work in their lives, repent of their sins.
Rebels never repent. Rebels do not hold the power to make Jesus atonement effectual or non-effectual. To teach such a thing is to diminish the Supremacy of God and lift up the supremacy of man.
He died for SIN, every sin. The sin of those who reject Him is pardoned too
 

InTheLight

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To the elect. To the Israel of God. Paul clarifies to us who Israel is. Remember...not all Israel is Israel.
Ezekiel 36 has many parts to it, but I suspect you are referring to the New Covenant passage, which is very similar to Jeremiah's comments about the New Covenant and are repeated in Hebrews.

No, the passage in Ezekiel 36 is a prophecy written to the House of Israel about the land of Israel.

The phrase "House of Israel" is used six times.

26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.
28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.

It is impossible to say these verses apply to any Gentiles. It is a stretch to say that these verses refer to God regenerating a person's heart so that they can believe in Jesus.
 

Particular

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He died for SIN, every sin. The sin of those who reject Him is pardoned too
If your assertion is correct, then all go to heaven as perfect and spotless children of God. No human need worry. Just keep being exactly what you are. The Bible is just a moral compass...if you want it to be. Otherwise, eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you die.

The Bible does not teach what you have just taught.
 

Particular

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No, the passage in Ezekiel 36 is a prophecy written to the House of Israel about the land of Israel.

The phrase "House of Israel" is used six times.

26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.
28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.

It is impossible to say these verses apply to any Gentiles. It is a stretch to say that these verses refer to God regenerating a person's heart so that they can believe in Jesus.
Not all Israel is Israel, however. The elect of Israel are a part of the New Covenant. Read the entire chapter since not all were saved.
 

loDebar

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If your assertion is correct, then all go to heaven as perfect and spotless children of God. No human need worry. Just keep being exactly what you are. The Bible is just a moral compass...if you want it to be. Otherwise, eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you die.

The Bible does not teach what you have just taught.
Psa 85:2

Thou hast forgiven the iniquity of thy people, thou hast covered all their sin. Selah
Mat 12:31

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men

1Jo 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
 

Particular

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Psa 85:2

Thou hast forgiven the iniquity of thy people, thou hast covered all their sin. Selah
Mat 12:31

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men

1Jo 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Three verses used out of context.
Now, do you really believe that all humans are entirely righteous? If so, then all humans will go to heaven. You have no other option or you make God's atonement ineffective and nullify your own assertion.
 

loDebar

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Three verses used out of context.
Now, do you really believe that all humans are entirely righteous? If so, then all humans will go to heaven. You have no other option or you make God's atonement ineffective and nullify your own assertion.
why do you mistake my posts.
All are sinners that cannot save themselves.
God paid for all sins yet some reject His gift
 

Particular

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why do you mistake my posts.
All are sinners that cannot save themselves.
God paid for all sins yet some reject His gift
You make sinners greater than God. Why is that?
If God paid for all sins, then there are no sins left to pay for. All humanity is, by your assertion, perfect in Christ. Nothing can separate any human from God and eternal life.
But, you claim that human action and rejection of God nullifies Jesus atoning work on the cross. Humans are, in your assertion, greater than God and his death on the cross.
You have no loophole.
So, the Bible does not support your assertion. The balance between eternal life with God or eternal suffering in hell is not determined by your acceptance or rejection of God. You don't hold that kind of power and God has not given you that kind of supreme authority.
 

InTheLight

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You make sinners greater than God. Why is that?
All humanity is, by your assertion, perfect in Christ.
You claim that human action and rejection of God nullifies Jesus atoning work on the cross.
Humans are, in your assertion, greater than God and his death on the cross.

Paul Hogan voice, "Now THAT'S a strawman!"
 
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