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What went wrong for Trump in North Korea? Everything

FollowTheWay

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After the president of S. Korea made major progress towards peace, Trump has managed to negate that. I don't think he wants peace on any terms. I think he wants war. Trump still hasn't appointed an ambassador to S. Korea. That says a great deal about his total lack of understanding about international diplomacy. he would have about as much success walking up to the plate to hit against a major league pitcher. ZERO.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/what-went-wrong-trump-north-korea-everything-n877201

For starters, members of his own administration — including Vice President Mike Pence and national security adviser John Bolton — leveled thinly veiled threats at Kim while Pompeo was trying to keep talks alive. As late as Wednesday, just hours before Trump pulled the plug, Pompeo said he thought they would go forward.

With an internal fight over goals, strategy and tactics fully joined, it would have been next to impossible for Kim to believe that any deal struck would stick. Trump also tried to short-circuit the normal diplomatic process, giving Kim a potential public relations victory without many concessions or conditions. And, with his criticism of his predecessors’ deal-making abilities, Trump had set a bar for himself that would have been very difficult to clear.

There was a lot for Trump to lose, and not as much to gain.

The talks were star-crossed from the start, said Ellen Tauscher, who was the State Department’s undersecretary for arms control and international security affairs under President Barack Obama.

In terms of the delicate art of international nuclear negotiation, she said, it was a mistake for Trump to try to cut a deal with Kim before the details of the agreement could be worked out by their underlings. By agreeing from the very beginning to give Kim a photo op meeting with the President of the United States — publicly scheduling a summit with Trump right away, rather than using the possibility of such a session to negotiate the shape of that discussion from a position of strength — they handed a big prize to the North Korean leader. They got very little in return.
 

InTheLight

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I really am not up to correcting you yet again. It's tiresome.

Trump just owned Kim Jong Un in this go around. Deal with it.

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HankD

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N. Korea is in a state of famine and politically caused starvation , totally unnecessary..

Un must act now to save his people. It may already be too late.
 
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Reynolds

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After the president of S. Korea made major progress towards peace, Trump has managed to negate that. I don't think he wants peace on any terms. I think he wants war. Trump still hasn't appointed an ambassador to S. Korea. That says a great deal about his total lack of understanding about international diplomacy. he would have about as much success walking up to the plate to hit against a major league pitcher. ZERO.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/what-went-wrong-trump-north-korea-everything-n877201

For starters, members of his own administration — including Vice President Mike Pence and national security adviser John Bolton — leveled thinly veiled threats at Kim while Pompeo was trying to keep talks alive. As late as Wednesday, just hours before Trump pulled the plug, Pompeo said he thought they would go forward.

With an internal fight over goals, strategy and tactics fully joined, it would have been next to impossible for Kim to believe that any deal struck would stick. Trump also tried to short-circuit the normal diplomatic process, giving Kim a potential public relations victory without many concessions or conditions. And, with his criticism of his predecessors’ deal-making abilities, Trump had set a bar for himself that would have been very difficult to clear.

There was a lot for Trump to lose, and not as much to gain.

The talks were star-crossed from the start, said Ellen Tauscher, who was the State Department’s undersecretary for arms control and international security affairs under President Barack Obama.

In terms of the delicate art of international nuclear negotiation, she said, it was a mistake for Trump to try to cut a deal with Kim before the details of the agreement could be worked out by their underlings. By agreeing from the very beginning to give Kim a photo op meeting with the President of the United States — publicly scheduling a summit with Trump right away, rather than using the possibility of such a session to negotiate the shape of that discussion from a position of strength — they handed a big prize to the North Korean leader. They got very little in return.
Nothing went wrong. Trump is in the drivers seat.
 

just-want-peace

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Simply amazing that some (???) attempt to foresee Trump's death from some exotic malady, if & when he so much as sneezes!!!!
These folks most certainly DO NOT have that "--peace that passes understanding" despite any claims to the contrary!!

As much as I despised the ZERO, I did not dwell on his obvious anti-everything decent, moral, Christian, ethical ad infinitum 24/7 as some here seem to do re: Trump.

After all He says that HE appoints and disposes a country's leaders, so we had our judgment(?) with 8 years of negativism and, IMHO, are now being given another chance to get it right. Which, again IMHO, we are now attempting in spite of all the dregs of negativism left over today.

Should the rapture occur in my lifetime (not much left now as I'm getting close to my 2 year as an octogenarian), and the left gets it's wish of total control, we (rather some of y'all :eek:) will be just another banana republic in less than 1 year. Hope y'all enjoy your FAUX UTOPIA!!!!!!
 

Adonia

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For starters, members of his own administration — including Vice President Mike Pence and national security adviser John Bolton — leveled thinly veiled threats at Kim

I agree. They were blabbing on like the Obama administration always did when conducting foreign policy. They should have just kept quiet.

One has to be prepared to walk away if things are not going well. The problem was that the North Koreans did not show up at the "pre-meeting" planning session and I think President Trump did the right thing. Now the news today is it seems that the NK dictator has come around and now says he wants to talk. We will see.
 
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HankD

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I agree. They were blabbing on like the Obama administration always did when conducting foreign policy. They should have just kept quiet.

One has to be prepared to walk away if things are not going well. The problem was that the North Koreans did not show up at the "pre-meeting planning session and I think President Trump did the right thing. Now the news today is it seems that the NK dictator has come around and now says he wants to talk. We will see.
He must, North Korea is on the verge of collapse - piece from several months ago:

http://www.newsweek.com/kim-jong-un...-collapse-within-year-high-level-north-687104
 

just-want-peace

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I think this just shows Kim that THIS president is not out for creating a "LEGACY" at any cost - as his predecessor was!
Kim's tactics have worked so long that he (Kim) was just positive this would work again, but not with the new Sheriff.
 

Yeshua1

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After the president of S. Korea made major progress towards peace, Trump has managed to negate that. I don't think he wants peace on any terms. I think he wants war. Trump still hasn't appointed an ambassador to S. Korea. That says a great deal about his total lack of understanding about international diplomacy. he would have about as much success walking up to the plate to hit against a major league pitcher. ZERO.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/what-went-wrong-trump-north-korea-everything-n877201

For starters, members of his own administration — including Vice President Mike Pence and national security adviser John Bolton — leveled thinly veiled threats at Kim while Pompeo was trying to keep talks alive. As late as Wednesday, just hours before Trump pulled the plug, Pompeo said he thought they would go forward.

With an internal fight over goals, strategy and tactics fully joined, it would have been next to impossible for Kim to believe that any deal struck would stick. Trump also tried to short-circuit the normal diplomatic process, giving Kim a potential public relations victory without many concessions or conditions. And, with his criticism of his predecessors’ deal-making abilities, Trump had set a bar for himself that would have been very difficult to clear.

There was a lot for Trump to lose, and not as much to gain.

The talks were star-crossed from the start, said Ellen Tauscher, who was the State Department’s undersecretary for arms control and international security affairs under President Barack Obama.

In terms of the delicate art of international nuclear negotiation, she said, it was a mistake for Trump to try to cut a deal with Kim before the details of the agreement could be worked out by their underlings. By agreeing from the very beginning to give Kim a photo op meeting with the President of the United States — publicly scheduling a summit with Trump right away, rather than using the possibility of such a session to negotiate the shape of that discussion from a position of strength — they handed a big prize to the North Korean leader. They got very little in return.
NOTHING went wrong, as soon as Trump stated the talks were a no go, the NK reversed their policy and really want to meet still!
NONE of this happened under Obama, as NK smiled and let him act as if nothing was wrong with them getting nukes, and Trump stated that was VERY wrong to them, and getting results!
 

FollowTheWay

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NOTHING went wrong, as soon as Trump stated the talks were a no go, the NK reversed their policy and really want to meet still!
NONE of this happened under Obama, as NK smiled and let him act as if nothing was wrong with them getting nukes, and Trump stated that was VERY wrong to them, and getting results!
The S. Korean president made a great step towards peace by meeting Kim in N. Korea but Trump stepped in and tore it down.
 

church mouse guy

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North Korea, obviously, has to do what China wants. Should we consider that China is the one that tore everything down? North Korea is China's puppet. North Korea is starving because communist party ideology says to use starvation as a method of population control, as is also seen in Cuba and Venezuela (which is a Cuban colony).
 

Covenanter

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The USA together with several European countries had an agreement with Iran concerning nuclear disarmament including inspection.

Trump reneged on that deal without discussion with the other nations despite Iran keeping to the deal allowing international inspection.

Why should N. Korea go forward with a such an unstable character as Trump, who, once NK disarms could renege on any agreement he makes taking advantage of NK being effectively defenceless.

The obvious way forward is trade deals & international cooperation. How should we deal with enemies? Make friends with them!
 

church mouse guy

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The USA together with several European countries had an agreement with Iran concerning nuclear disarmament including inspection.

Trump reneged on that deal without discussion with the other nations despite Iran keeping to the deal allowing international inspection.

Why should N. Korea go forward with a such an unstable character as Trump, who, once NK disarms could renege on any agreement he makes taking advantage of NK being effectively defenceless.

The obvious way forward is trade deals & international cooperation. How should we deal with enemies? Make friends with them!

Firstly, the deal was technically illegal since it never was submitted for vote in the US Senate. Everyone was against the deal so Corker of Tennessee got a resolution that it must be voted down within a certain time period or it would take effect at that specified date. With the GOP capitulation, Obama just made a personal agreement with Iran.

The deal that Obama made said that we could ask to inspect a particular location in the future and if Iran agreed, then we could go there in a couple of months. It was a stupid agreement because there was no inspection.

Because Obama's deal was personal and not legislative, Trump had the power to withdraw from the deal.

This withdrawal angered the UK, Germany, and France, who have been making a lot of money in Iran. How do you make friends with a psychopath?
 

Adonia

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Firstly, the deal was technically illegal since it never was submitted for vote in the US Senate. Everyone was against the deal so Corker of Tennessee got a resolution that it must be voted down within a certain time period or it would take effect at that specified date. With the GOP capitulation, Obama just made a personal agreement with Iran.

With friends like this, who needs enemies? Once again this continues to be our main problem, elected representatives who take an oath to uphold the Constitution and then violate it all the time. You are correct, this was just a private deal between Obama and the Iranians, the United States as a whole was not obligated by law to follow it in perpetuity.
 

HankD

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The USA together with several European countries had an agreement with Iran concerning nuclear disarmament including inspection.

Trump reneged on that deal without discussion with the other nations despite Iran keeping to the deal allowing international inspection.
The Obama administration railroaded us into the Iran deal without any discussion with we the people. President Trump reversed it.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...nd_executive_power_a_dangerous_precedent.html
 

Covenanter

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That shows how iniquitous the US constitution is - an agreement negotiated with several countries can be reneged on with a change of POTUS without further negotiation at the whim of the new POTUS.

Iraq suffered 10 years of sanctions & was destroyed at the whim of a previous POTUS on the basis of claimed intelligence which was widely disputed at the time, & proved to be false - "sexed up" for propaganda purposes because you wanted to destroy Hussein. Sadly UK PM Blair supported the action despite popular feeling against the action -
NOT IN OUR NAME!

The USA just cannot be trusted.
 

Reformed

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That shows how iniquitous the US constitution is - an agreement negotiated with several countries can be reneged on with a change of POTUS without further negotiation at the whim of the new POTUS.

Iraq suffered 10 years of sanctions & was destroyed at the whim of a previous POTUS on the basis of claimed intelligence which was widely disputed at the time, & proved to be false - "sexed up" for propaganda purposes because you wanted to destroy Hussein. Sadly UK PM Blair supported the action despite popular feeling against the action -
NOT IN OUR NAME!

The USA just cannot be trusted.
The President had the legal right to pull out of the Iran deal. That Europe does not like it is...well...to quote General Anthony McAuliffe, "Nuts!"

The President of the United States has, as his first duty, the protection of American citizens and their interests. Everything else comes second.

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church mouse guy

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That shows how iniquitous the US constitution is - an agreement negotiated with several countries can be reneged on with a change of POTUS without further negotiation at the whim of the new POTUS.

Iraq suffered 10 years of sanctions & was destroyed at the whim of a previous POTUS on the basis of claimed intelligence which was widely disputed at the time, & proved to be false - "sexed up" for propaganda purposes because you wanted to destroy Hussein. Sadly UK PM Blair supported the action despite popular feeling against the action -
NOT IN OUR NAME!

The USA just cannot be trusted.

The agreement was never constitutional. It was an illegal agreement made by Obama. The UK, Germany, and France were fooled by Obama.
 
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