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What went wrong for Trump in North Korea? Everything

Revmitchell

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The USA together with several European countries had an agreement with Iran concerning nuclear disarmament including inspection.

Trump reneged on that deal without discussion with the other nations despite Iran keeping to the deal allowing international inspection.

Why should N. Korea go forward with a such an unstable character as Trump, who, once NK disarms could renege on any agreement he makes taking advantage of NK being effectively defenceless.

The obvious way forward is trade deals & international cooperation. How should we deal with enemies? Make friends with them!

While not entirely incorrect this post certainly misrepresents the situation.
 

Revmitchell

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How many countries has Iran invaded this century?
How many cities has it destroyed?
How many citizens have been killed by its bombs?
How many children have been born deformed by Iran's use of depleted uranium warheads?
AND
How many USA military - Gulf War Vets - & their children have suffered from its use of radioactive weapons? Men (& women) who committed their lives for their country & are suffering from the use of the weapons they were given?

https://www.brookings.edu/testimonies/irans-support-for-terrorism-in-the-middle-east/

State Department report finds Iran is top state sponsor of terror - CNNPolitics

State Sponsors of Terrorism

STATE SUPPORTED TERRORISM BY IRAN, SYRIA, AND LIBYA | CIA FOIA (foia.cia.gov)
 

atpollard

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So bring on the war. That's what you and Trump want. Right?
Actually, I want to see titanium rods dropped from orbit by the USAF mini-shuttle or a Delta Rocket launch and strike targets on NK preemptively as a kinetic penetrator with the force of a nuclear bomb. Time to move warfare into the 21st Century and stop thinking like it is WW2.
 

InTheLight

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Actually, I want to see titanium rods dropped from orbit by the USAF mini-shuttle or a Delta Rocket launch and strike targets on NK preemptively as a kinetic penetrator with the force of a nuclear bomb. Time to move warfare into the 21st Century and stop thinking like it is WW2.
I just read about that sort of weapon in a novel I read recently. Very interesting concept.

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FollowTheWay

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Actually, I want to see titanium rods dropped from orbit by the USAF mini-shuttle or a Delta Rocket launch and strike targets on NK preemptively as a kinetic penetrator with the force of a nuclear bomb. Time to move warfare into the 21st Century and stop thinking like it is WW2.
I think laser weapons from an orbiting satellite would be more effective.
 

atpollard

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I think laser weapons from an orbiting satellite would be more effective.
Space lasers are a violation of the treaty we signed on the militarization of space, while kinetic weapons are not.

Beyond that, Lasers suffer dissipation over range that would make a laser in orbit with a megaton yield on the surface of the earth a feat of engineering to rival the Moon Landing. Space lasers are good for shooting missiles in space as they reach apogee (no atmosphere to interfere).
 

FollowTheWay

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Space lasers are a violation of the treaty we signed on the militarization of space, while kinetic weapons are not.

Beyond that, Lasers suffer dissipation over range that would make a laser in orbit with a megaton yield on the surface of the earth a feat of engineering to rival the Moon Landing. Space lasers are good for shooting missiles in space as they reach apogee (no atmosphere to interfere).
I see that.
Article IV
States Parties to the Treaty undertake not to place in orbit around the Earth any objects carrying nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction, install such weapons on celestial bodies, or station such weapons in outer space in any other manner.

Your proposal would be a violation as well. I don't see any exclusion of "kinetic weapons." from this article. Your description certainly classifies them as weapons of mass destruction. Actually, when I thnk about laser weapons I think about precision rather than mass destruction and perhaps those would be allowed under this treaty.
 

Covenanter

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Actually, I want to see titanium rods dropped from orbit by the USAF mini-shuttle or a Delta Rocket launch and strike targets on NK preemptively as a kinetic penetrator with the force of a nuclear bomb. Time to move warfare into the 21st Century and stop thinking like it is WW2.

I'd prefer to see wide discussions, trade deals & help in improving the lives of the Korean people.

Particular reference should be achieve complete religious freedom, to practice & evangelise.

If they are not threatened, the "need" for nuclear weapons & other WMDs will be reduced.

The UK is not threatened, yet is trying to maintain a nuclear arsenal at vast cost, when the ordinary needs of the people are being neglected.
 

Reformed

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That shows how iniquitous the US constitution is - an agreement negotiated with several countries can be reneged on with a change of POTUS without further negotiation at the whim of the new POTUS.

Iraq suffered 10 years of sanctions & was destroyed at the whim of a previous POTUS on the basis of claimed intelligence which was widely disputed at the time, & proved to be false - "sexed up" for propaganda purposes because you wanted to destroy Hussein. Sadly UK PM Blair supported the action despite popular feeling against the action -
NOT IN OUR NAME!

The USA just cannot be trusted.

I thought I was done with this thread but I have stewed over your comments for the past few days.

Yes. I am a citizen of the Kingdom first. In glory, the Stars and Stripes and the Union Jack will not be rippling in the wind. I do not approve of every decision the federal government makes. Post-911 was a turbulent time in the United States. Not all the intelligence G.W. Bush's administration received came from American sources. Some of it came from MI6 but you know that, right? I also have no time for Truthers and their cockamamie accusations that 911 was an inside job. At worse the United States government is at fault for lax airport security and passenger screening protocols. Western nations could have learned from Israel on how to implement airport and passenger security but none of them wanted to be bothered. They all changed their tunes after 911.

You have the privilege of saying that the United States of America cannot be trusted, as though any human government can be totally trusted. This is Memorial Day in the United States. Many Americans (sadly, not all) remember the ultimate sacrifice made by those patriots who fought against tyranny and oppression both on American and foreign soil. The first ones died fighting against the oppression of the British empire and your former king, George III. Our two nations healed the relationship that led to our separation and American and British forces fought and died together in two World Wars, Korea, two Gulf Wars, and Afghanistan. They trusted each other. Before you point your hypocritical finger at the United States you need to consider these facts and take stock of your own government. While you are at it, ask yourself how secure Great Britain would have been had the United States left Europe to fend for itself against the Soviet Union post-World War II?
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Rand is a Trump supporter as is his dad Ron.
Rand dislikes the guy... but he does support him as the president... but I can’t help but believe that deep down he believes the guy is Luney Tunes. Me, I believe he serves the Democrats agenda for a long term governance which will cement us into long term socialism. The oligarchs have long planned for control of Americana’s with Trump they will have achieved their ambitions.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I thought I was done with this thread but I have stewed over your comments for the past few days.

Yes. I am a citizen of the Kingdom first. In glory, the Stars and Stripes and the Union Jack will not be rippling in the wind. I do not approve of every decision the federal government makes. Post-911 was a turbulent time in the United States. Not all the intelligence G.W. Bush's administration received came from American sources. Some of it came from MI6 but you know that, right? I also have no time for Truthers and their cockamamie accusations that 911 was an inside job. At worse the United States government is at fault for lax airport security and passenger screening protocols. Western nations could have learned from Israel on how to implement airport and passenger security but none of them wanted to be bothered. They all changed their tunes after 911.

You have the privilege of saying that the United States of America cannot be trusted, as though any human government can be totally trusted. This is Memorial Day in the United States. Many Americans (sadly, not all) remember the ultimate sacrifice made by those patriots who fought against tyranny and oppression both on American and foreign soil. The first ones died fighting against the oppression of the British empire and your former king, George III. Our two nations healed the relationship that led to our separation and American and British forces fought and died together in two World Wars, Korea, two Gulf Wars, and Afghanistan. They trusted each other. Before you point your hypocritical finger at the United States you need to consider these facts and take stock of your own government. While you are at it, ask yourself how secure Great Britain would have been had the United States left Europe to fend for itself against the Soviet Union post-World War II?
Oh, I say! Carothers, your European arses were saved from having to speak German and living in a Nazi regime primarily because of American lives, our money, our efforts and energies, right!
And then you say that the United States cannot be trusted. :rolleyes:
 
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FollowTheWay

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Rand is a Trump supporter as is his dad Ron.
That's not true.

Today, Ron Paul speaks out loudly against Trump.
The rampant hypocrisy among Paul-hating, Trump-loving right-wingers on foreign policy and other issues should be clear.
But there’s something more troubling.
Ron Paul-style libertarianism was harsh on government but always compassionate toward individuals. Donald Trump-style authoritarianism largely embraces big government and collectively blames immigrants, Muslims and others for America’s problems.
 
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