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What went wrong for Trump in North Korea? Everything

Earth Wind and Fire

Earth Wind and Fire

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Revmitchell said:
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FollowTheWay said:
After the president of S. Korea made major progress towards peace, Trump has managed to negate that. I don't think he wants peace on any terms. I think he wants war. Trump still hasn't appointed an ambassador to S. Korea. That says a great deal about his total lack of understanding about international diplomacy. he would have about as much success walking up to the plate to hit against a major league pitcher. ZERO.

What went wrong for Trump in North Korea? Everything

For starters, members of his own administration — including Vice President Mike Pence and national security adviser John Bolton — leveled thinly veiled threats at Kim while Pompeo was trying to keep talks alive. As late as Wednesday, just hours before Trump pulled the plug, Pompeo said he thought they would go forward.

With an internal fight over goals, strategy and tactics fully joined, it would have been next to impossible for Kim to believe that any deal struck would stick. Trump also tried to short-circuit the normal diplomatic process, giving Kim a potential public relations victory without many concessions or conditions. And, with his criticism of his predecessors’ deal-making abilities, Trump had set a bar for himself that would have been very difficult to clear.

There was a lot for Trump to lose, and not as much to gain.

The talks were star-crossed from the start, said Ellen Tauscher, who was the State Department’s undersecretary for arms control and international security affairs under President Barack Obama.

In terms of the delicate art of international nuclear negotiation, she said, it was a mistake for Trump to try to cut a deal with Kim before the details of the agreement could be worked out by their underlings. By agreeing from the very beginning to give Kim a photo op meeting with the President of the United States — publicly scheduling a summit with Trump right away, rather than using the possibility of such a session to negotiate the shape of that discussion from a position of strength — they handed a big prize to the North Korean leader. They got very little in return.
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This is definitely one of those things where I would rather be wrong than nuked, even if I hated Trump.
 
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I Love An Atheist said:
This is definitely one of those things where I would rather be wrong than nuked, even if I hated Trump.
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Being wrong is thinking that Trump can do anything that will resolve the situation. Tweeting about "Rocket Boy" only makes it more likely that an unstable, treacherous leader like Kim will act irresponsibly. Working through our allies and Russia and China to isolate N. Korea is the right approach. I'll ask you this. When is the last time a part of the U.S. was on high alert for a nuclear attack? I'd guess the Cuban Missile Crisis. Hawaii even had a false alert to take shelter from incoming nuclear missiles. This situation is all due to the reckless way in which Trump is conducting foreign policy. He still hasn't even recommended an ambassador for S. Korea and his minions have cut the experienced foreign service team by 60%. This takes the U.S. out of the position of negotiating in vital situations like this one.

Remember your school days? You don't push a bully into a corner and give him no way out but to fight. Trump is pushing Kim closer and closer to war and is turning our allies and the rest of the world against us.
 
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I Love An Atheist said:
This is definitely one of those things where I would rather be wrong than nuked, even if I hated Trump.
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Look ILAA, there are those who will simply refuse to be amendable toward president Trump no matter the accomplishment.

Even If presidents Trump and Un come to an astonishing agreement which unifies the Korean peninsula in a peaceful treaty and amazes the world, fault will be found. Even now not one micrometer of an inch of credit is he given.

True, president Trump is a flawed human being and I have heard those very words come out of his own mouth.

The NEVERTRUMPers totally overlook the fact that we are all damaged goods apart from the redemption by the Savior of the world.

This instead of venom 24/7 is our duty as Christians.

1 Timothy 2
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
 
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Earth Wind and Fire said:
Does it really matter?
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What do you mean?
FollowTheWay said:
Being wrong is thinking that Trump can do anything that will resolve the situation. Tweeting about "Rocket Boy" only makes it more likely that an unstable, treacherous leader like Kim will act irresponsibly. Working through our allies and Russia and China to isolate N. Korea is the right approach. I'll ask you this. When is the last time a part of the U.S. was on high alert for a nuclear attack? I'd guess the Cuban Missile Crisis. Hawaii even had a false alert to take shelter from incoming nuclear missiles. This situation is all due to the reckless way in which Trump is conducting foreign policy. He still hasn't even recommended an ambassador for S. Korea and his minions have cut the experienced foreign service team by 60%. This takes the U.S. out of the position of negotiating in vital situations like this one.

Remember your school days? You don't push a bully into a corner and give him no way out but to fight. Trump is pushing Kim closer and closer to war and is turning our allies and the rest of the world against us.
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There is a history before Trump.

Part of the history involved, perhaps, Un observing what happened to countries that became disarmed. They were invaded.

Part of the history also involves what Bill Clinton did.

Trump can't yet be judged so harshly until he has definitively failed if that becomes his legacy. It's just that I think we should hope for him to succeed.

I know your narrative, and I know the opposing narrative, too. What you said sounds like something Hillary would say in a debate.

I don't want to debate. I just want to say that we should hope for Trump to succeed.
 
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