What Will/Should Become of the #NeverTrumpers

[Benjamin]

You've had people answer your question already so I guess you are going to keep on until you find somebody that simply says what you want to hear. So i conclude you don't wish for a debate but an echo chamber. It's all quite obvious.

Well, I think your answer of the title of "American" is merely a copout toward defining your (the [HASHTAG]#ExNeverTrump[/HASHTAG]) position. I think that is an insufficient re[placement for your proud Ex - [HASHTAG]#NeverTrump[/HASHTAG] title. I think we can do better than that, so yeah, I'm still waiting. Me thinks maybe it is you that needs to "suck it up buttercup" and either deal with the heat or get out of the kitchen.

 

[Rolfe]

Someone needs a warm, relaxing cup of herbal tea...

 

[Benjamin]

If I have learned anything from this thread, it is that Baptistsymposium must be too quiet these days.

*laugh*

It is well understood by the members there why BaptistSymposium is quiet, ...it is because people who typically frequent Christian debate boards are looking to senselessly argue rather than learn to debate and are afraid to have their logic addressed in a way in which they may be shown to have false conclusions.

 

[Revmitchell]

Well, one of my concerns is that there is still a separation between those who are on the path of supporting conservative values under the guidance of the new administration and those who have opposed this administration from the beginning and continue to do so. I believe that separation of positions, which used to be defined by the self-given label of the [HASHTAG]#NeverTrump[/HASHTAG] movement is now irrelevant so those who are still on the agenda that I've spelled out in the Op need a new title that is more fitting it light of that "Never" no longer applies to Trump.

So if you want to be part of this debate why don't you get past your "immature games" of attacking the motive and start addressing the issues that I've brought up for debate rather than crying about it being nothing more than a "childish title business".

I mean seriously, is this a debate board or is it like one of those "safe zones" where if you don't like someone else's opinion you whine about them making it and start calling names and begin on personal attacks?

It is a debate board. I am on topic. I do not debate according to your rules or under your guidelines. I am debating the entire premise of this op. Further, trump is not a conservative he is an opportunist. That may benefit conservatives from time to time but it is not likely to benefit conservatives all the time.

What you believe is that those with whom you disagree with must be marginalized to prohibit actual debate.

 

[Revmitchell]

..it is because people who typically frequent Christian debate boards are looking to senselessly argue rather than learn to debate and are afraid to have their logic addressed in a way in which they may be shown to have false conclusions.

hence the op

 

[Rolfe]

It is well understood by the members there why BaptistSymposium is quiet, ...it is because people who typically frequent Christian debate boards are looking to senselessly argue rather than learn to debate and are afraid to have their logic addressed in a way in which they may be shown to have false conclusions.

Uh...who is teaching the Debate Class?

 

[Use of Time]

Well, I think your answer of the title of "American" is merely a copout toward defining your (the [HASHTAG]#ExNeverTrump[/HASHTAG]) position. I think that is an insufficient re[placement for your proud Ex - [HASHTAG]#NeverTrump[/HASHTAG] title. I think we can do better than that, so yeah, I'm still waiting. Me thinks maybe it is you that needs to "suck it up buttercup" and either deal with the heat or get out of the kitchen.

Then label me whatever you need to in order for you to cope with Trump dissenters. It's apparently an imperative issue for you. I don't know what to tell you. I'm not going to apologize for opposing Trump. You'll have to deal with it or it's going to be a tough four years for you.

 

[Benjamin]

Then label me whatever ...

How about [HASHTAG]#OkayTrumpButWhaa[/HASHTAG]... ?

Nah, there's got to be something more fitting...no need to apologize I'm sure if you can't come up with anything better the Left will soon give you something to ride on.

 

[Revmitchell]

How about [HASHTAG]#OkayTrumpButWhaa[/HASHTAG]... ?

Nah, there's got to be something more fitting...no need to apologize I'm sure if you can't come up with anything better the Left will soon give you something to ride on.

I take back everything I have said in this thread thus far. What I now believe after this post is that you are doing nothing more than mere taunting. Good luck with that.

 

[Use of Time]

How about [HASHTAG]#OkayTrumpButWhaa[/HASHTAG]... ?

Nah, there's got to be something more fitting...no need to apologize I'm sure if you can't come up with anything better the Left will soon give you something to ride on.

And there goes your smokescreen about seeking an honest debate. You are doing what you came here to do. You could have probably gotten here sooner but then again brevity isn't one of your strong suits.

 

[Benjamin]

It is a debate board. I am on topic. I do not debate according to your rules or under your guidelines. I am debating the entire premise of this op.

Is that what you call your mere broadbrushed accusation that the thread is childish? A form of debate. Hmm...

Further, trump is not a conservative he is an opportunist.

You act as if they are mutually exclusive at best. Trump appears to me to be promoting more conservative values than I've seen a president do in my lifetime. Besides that he is actually focused on the will of the people and it certainly looks like there is about to be progress made on these conservative values like we've never seen.

That may benefit conservatives from time to time but it is not likely to benefit conservatives all the time.

I tire of these all-nothing fallacies meant to support one's do-nothing inaction...

What you believe is that those with whom you disagree with must be marginalized to prohibit actual debate.

So if my opinion makes you feel "marginalized" you contend that prohibits your ability to actually debate, and I suppose this excuses your coming into this debate calling the thread childish. Got it...

Still waiting for you to define your position. But feel free to explain how my description of the separation that I described of the [HASHTAG]#NeverTrump[/HASHTAG] movement from the conservative movement taking place is not accurate, as addressed in the Op, while you're at it.

 

[Benjamin]

And there goes your smokescreen about seeking an honest debate. You are doing what you came here to do. You could have probably gotten here sooner but then again brevity isn't one of your strong suits.

I see your reply as pointless. How about that for brevity?

 

[Use of Time]

It is well understood by the members there why BaptistSymposium is quiet, ...it is because people who typically frequent Christian debate boards are looking to senselessly argue rather than learn to debate and are afraid to have their logic addressed in a way in which they may be shown to have false conclusions.

My irony meter is off the charts right now.

 

[Use of Time]

I see your reply as pointless. How about that for brevity?

That's because you have no self awareness. Have a good night Benjamin. I'm all done here.

 

[Benjamin]

I take back everything I have said in this thread thus far. What I now believe after this post is that you are doing nothing more than mere taunting. Good luck with that.

Lighten up, and you might want to compare the mildness of my "taunt" with your way of coming into this debate calling other's childish before you make such accusations.

I really think when you guys can't make your arguments the only goal in the "debate" for you is to get personal in order to get the threads shutdown. Actually, I know that is the case... ...talk about "childish".

 

[Benjamin]

That's because you have no self awareness. Have a good night Benjamin. I'm all done here.

Merry Christmas.

 

[Use of Time]

Merry Christmas.

To you as well.

 

[Revmitchell]

Lighten up, and you might want to compare the mildness of my "taunt" with your way of coming into this debate calling other's childish before you make such accusations.

I really think when you guys can't make your arguments the only goal in the "debate" for you is to get personal in order to get the threads shutdown. Actually, I know that is the case... ...talk about "childish".

Sorry I cannot change the nature of this thread. That weight is on you.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Maybe you would like to address my reasoning behind my argument, you know, give your view in opposition to the idea that the [HASHTAG]#NeverTrump[/HASHTAG] title is now irrelevant (since obviously it is Trump) and is in need of a new title (which would be more fitting) rather than just jumping in and calling the thread "childish"? ...which, frankly, I find to be a rather "childish" way to enter a debate.

OK.....then the thread is irrelevant & inflammatory. Don't you see that?

 

[Don]

Now that the [HASHTAG]#NeverTrump[/HASHTAG] movement is irrelevant I believe we need a new title to identify, define and distinguish them from the conservatives which are part of the new movement which elected Trump.

It is apparent “they” (those adamantly against supporting conservative values as long as they are not 100% satisfied with the qualities of the POTUS) now need a new title to define their new movement which continues to claim themselves as conservatives but are “never” going to support any viable action promoting those values.

IOW’s: Now that their movement to hinder the only viable opposition to Hillary Clinton has failed it seems many will continue on their path and conform their attack toward the New Republican Administration as they pretend to hold to conservative values but while they go about parroting the daily liberal spin and supporting their new path of an obstructionist agenda.

Since the [HASHTAG]#NeverTrumpers[/HASHTAG] are not for “us” (the “conservative movement” being they are more than happy to deny Trump is even conservative even in light of his SCOTUS picks, abortion stance, cabinet picks, stances on immigration, environment, taxes, etc., etc.) but rather are actively against us it shouldn’t be that difficult to conclude that we should disown them as they have disowned us.

…Well, I could go on and on about how we didn’t need them to stop the undeniable devastation a Hillary Clinton administration would have brought upon our country and conservative values and how that makes their “movement” insignificant. But that is all a given and rather unimportant right now. It is what it is.

I’m just wondering what those who claim not to be liberals, yet who don’t take viable action to uphold conservative values, who constantly parrot liberal media spin while attacking the newly formed Republican Party and its Commander in Chief, and are now obviously jumping on the path of supporting the obstructionist agenda of the Leftist should be calling their movement now?

Now, some of the [HASHTAG]#ExNeverTrumpers[/HASHTAG] have basically admitted that they are happy to be “insignificant” while going about to continue whining and crying with the liberals who lost the last election. Example: “I'm more than happy to be an "insignificant bystander...”

For that person I have suggested the [HASHTAG]#InsignificantBystanderParty[/HASHTAG], but I’m sure we all could heads together and come up something better than that. I mean, for one, “insignificant” doesn’t really take into account the annoyances of their unmistakable alliances with the Liberal Media Spin while claiming to be conservative but obviously holding hands with the Obstructionist and walking side by side on the paths with the Progressive Liberal agenda which new sole purposes in life are out to cause as much division as possible over the issues facing our country.


So, (1) Do the [HASHTAG]#NeverTrumpers[/HASHTAG] need a new title? And (2) If so, what should it be?

You do realize this post, and thus thread, is on the same level as the "Who Did I Vote For?" thread I started a month or so back?

Any particular reason why you're so binary?