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What Would You Do [drinking issues]?

Church Staff Drinking in Local Restaurant. Do you.....

  • Report it to Pastor ....

    Votes: 4 12.9%
  • Ignore it, because you'd do the same ....

    Votes: 4 12.9%
  • No say anything, as drinking is up to the individual and God ....

    Votes: 17 54.8%
  • Speak to the adults privately at another time!

    Votes: 8 25.8%
  • Sit there and count how many more wines/beers they get ....

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Remember that Jesus turned water to wine. No foul!

    Votes: 11 35.5%
  • Leave the church and find one that believes like me ....

    Votes: 1 3.2%
  • No opinion, because drinking is not a sin!

    Votes: 11 35.5%
  • No opinion, because I drink too!

    Votes: 3 9.7%
  • Even though I drink, I do not drinlk in the public arena ....

    Votes: 1 3.2%

  • Total voters
    31

Revmitchell

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Let me give you a lesson -- and having been a drunk doesn't make you an expert, so you might learn something here. I've been one, too, and could be again if I faced such a difficult mental health issue as PTSD.




Uh huh. Buzzed is drunk. There is no difference. Your judgment is clouded, your reaction time is inhibited, and normal social inhibitions are lossened even when buzzed. If you can't drive you are drunk. And yes years of living with it as a child and then becoming one makes me pretty darn smart where alcohol and being drunk is concerned.
 

InTheLight

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Uh huh. Buzzed is drunk. There is no difference. Your judgment is clouded, your reaction time is inhibited, and normal social inhibitions are lossened even when buzzed. If you can't drive you are drunk. And yes years of living with it as a child and then becoming one makes me pretty darn smart where alcohol and being drunk is concerned.

So when I sit down on a Friday night and over the course of 3 hours drink 3 beers while watching a baseball game, do you consider me buzzed? Because I know I'm not.

Back in your drinking days, if you had 3 beers in 3 hours (no shots) would you consider yourself buzzed?
 

Revmitchell

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So when I sit down on a Friday night and over the course of 3 hours drink 3 beers while watching a baseball game, do you consider me buzzed? Because I know I'm not.

Back in your drinking days, if you had 3 beers in 3 hours (no shots) would you consider yourself buzzed?

Uh.....I haven't said anything about any amount in any time frame.
 

righteousdude2

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Here is a simple answer to that TND ....

How does one know they are buzzed?

If you don't know when you are "buzzed" you shouldn't be drinking. In fact, if you don't drink, you'll never have to be concerned about knowing what Buzzed is and not buzzed is!

Just don't drink!
 
Uh huh. Buzzed is drunk. There is no difference. Your judgment is clouded, your reaction time is inhibited, and normal social inhibitions are lossened even when buzzed. If you can't drive you are drunk. ...
Many, many people, millions of people, can have a beer or a glass of wine and be perfectly fit to drive. Even if they were to be pulled over and given a breathalyzer, their BAC would be well below "drunk" or even "impaired." A glass, or even two for a person my size (6'1", 185), has very little effect on reaction time, perception, and reasoning, particularly if they wait a half hour to 45 minutes before driving. Those people don't drink to get "buzzed." The drink goes well with the food and the conversation, and they are not "sinning" when drinking.

And that, RD2, is the answer back to you.
... And yes years of living with it as a child and then becoming one makes me pretty darn smart where alcohol and being drunk is concerned.
No offense, but obviously not. You seem to think you're the only one here with a a drinking past. I believe there are many on this board, including me, who used excessive amounts of alcohol to self-medicate my PTSD.

When I admitted to the disorder and agreed to have it treated adequately (by one of the few psychiatrists at the VA who actually knows what he's doing), the issue I had with alcohol went away. I still waited about 20 years, after 27 years of abstinence, before I took the risk of drinking again. It would be impossible for anyone to say I abuse alcohol today, especially given the caution I engaged before trying it again.

You refer to "buzzed" in the same way a current public service campaign uses it. What the teen/young adult anti-drinking-and-driving ad campaign is saying -- "Buzzed is drunk" -- may be an effective message that gets young, dumb irresponsible drinkers to think about it before they do it. The reality is, the message is completely false, because it implies that a single drink, or two, makes one "buzzed." That's nonsense.

"Buzzed" or "drunk" depends on a variety of factors that vary greatly from person to person, such as body weight, alcohol tolerance, total intake, and a host of factors that the ad campaign and you apparently choose to ignore. As you and others do, apparently, that everyone who drinks has an intent to "feel the buzz." Total garbage.

Facts are facts. You have opinions. There's a difference.
 
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KRJ

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It is not illegal to drink and then drive. It is illegal to drive while impaired. In most states you are presumed to be impaired at a .08%. The reality is that some people become impaired at less and some can handle more.

The "average" person will become about a .02% - .03% from a standard drink and will neutralize about one drink per hour.
 

corndogggy

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You stop by to say your hello's and notice that in front of the ladies are half-full wine glasses. While in front of the men are glasses of beer!

... and?

Ecclesiastes 9:7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.
 

corndogggy

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This sort of direct confrontation seems to be missing from the OP's options:

From Spurgeon's Autobiography [a grateful man is recounting how Spurgeon burst into a tavern and confronted him]:

"he points at me with his finger, just so, and says, "What doest thou here, Elijah? Sitting with the ungodly; and you a member of a church, and breaking your pastor's heart. I'm ashamed of you! I wouldn't break my pastor's heart, I'm sure." And then he walks away. Well, I did feel angry; but I knew it was all true, and I was guilty; so I put down my pipe, and did not touch my beer, but hurried away to a lonely spot, and cast myself down before the Lord, confessing my sin and begging for forgiveness."

To be honest, if you go back another century or more to the time of this country's forefathers, it was pretty much mandatory that taverns be built next to churches. There is plenty of documentation on this. They would take breaks during service and go to the tavern. The tavern was where they would go eat, where they had business meetings, etc. It was a perfectly normal thing. Just because the culture at the time introduced a shame and guilt reaction doesn't make it a bad thing. It's quite ridiculous really.

http://www.thehistorytrekker.com/tr...an-colonies-the-role-of-the-tavern-in-society
 
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Revmitchell

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Many, many people, millions of people, can have a beer or a glass of wine and be perfectly fit to drive. Even if they were to be pulled over and given a breathalyzer, their BAC would be well below "drunk" or even "impaired." A glass, or even two for a person my size (6'1", 185), has very little effect on reaction time, perception, and reasoning, particularly if they wait a half hour to 45 minutes before driving. Those people don't drink to get "buzzed." The drink goes well with the food and the conversation, and they are not "sinning" when drinking.

And that, RD2, is the answer back to you.No offense, but obviously not. You seem to think you're the only one here with a a drinking past. I believe there are many on this board, including me, who used excessive amounts of alcohol to self-medicate my PTSD.

When I admitted to the disorder and agreed to have it treated adequately (by one of the few psychiatrists at the VA who actually knows what he's doing), the issue I had with alcohol went away. I still waited about 20 years, after 27 years of abstinence, before I took the risk of drinking again. It would be impossible for anyone to say I abuse alcohol today, especially given the caution I engaged before trying it again.

You refer to "buzzed" in the same way a current public service campaign uses it. What the teen/young adult anti-drinking-and-driving ad campaign is saying -- "Buzzed is drunk" -- may be an effective message that gets young, dumb irresponsible drinkers to think about it before they do it. The reality is, the message is completely false, because it implies that a single drink, or two, makes one "buzzed." That's nonsense.

"Buzzed" or "drunk" depends on a variety of factors that vary greatly from person to person, such as body weight, alcohol tolerance, total intake, and a host of factors that the ad campaign and you apparently choose to ignore. As you and others do, apparently, that everyone who drinks has an intent to "feel the buzz." Total garbage.

Facts are facts. You have opinions. There's a difference.

You guys keep defedning your buzz by talking as if I have said that any drinking gets you buzzed. I never said that. Neither do I hold to the idea that any drinking of alcohol is a sin. The variety of factors that play into who gets drunk is not relevant to anything I have said.
 

corndogggy

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No I still know that. Completely awak and alert. Inhibited yes, loss fo reaction time yes. But no loss og cognative faculties.

So your brain is admittedly slow yet you lost no cognitive abilities. Right. Makes perfect sense. That's like saying that some really bad gasoline makes your car run slower, get worse gas mileage, sputter and stall, but it runs perfectly. Based on your excellent spelling and grammar, perhaps you are partaking right now? :) Looks like perfect cognitive abilities to me.
 
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preacher4truth

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So your brain is admittedly slow yet you lost no cognitive abilities. Right. Makes perfect sense. That's like saying that some really bad gasoline makes your car run slower, get worse gas mileage, sputter and stall, but it runs perfectly. Based on your excellent spelling and grammar, perhaps you are partaking right now? :) Looks like perfect cognitive abilities to me.

Oh...lol!!!! A most excellent response!!!!! :applause: :thumbs: :thumbs:
 
Drinking with no intent to feel anything is like smoking pot without inhaling. What is the point?
That, right there, is indicative of someone with a problem. Think about it.
So your brain is admittedly slow yet you lost no cognitive abilities. Right. Makes perfect sense. That's like saying that some really bad gasoline makes your car run slower, get worse gas mileage, sputter and stall, but it runs perfectly. Based on your excellent spelling and grammar, perhaps you are partaking right now? :) Looks like perfect cognitive abilities to me.
You have insulted a friend and a member in good standing on this board. How dare you make such an insulting comment to someone you do not know? Methinks thee protesteth too much.
 

Jerome

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To be honest, if you go back another century or more to the time of this country's forefathers, it was pretty much mandatory that taverns be built next to churches. There is plenty of documentation on this. They would take breaks during service and go to the tavern. The tavern was where they would go eat, where they had business meetings, etc. It was a perfectly normal thing.

Huh? Your fellow alco-pologist's story was that taverns were quite the bad environment regardless of the booze. Which is it?
 
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