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Baptist Believer

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Remember, this is Giuliani speaking. We don’t know what he will say tomorrow.

I don’t believe this one minute.
You are wise.

The spin will be “he PROBABLY had enough to indict him but rules is rules.....”

He had nothing.
Not so fast. The primary goal of the the investigation is to generate a report and a recommendation.

The current opinion of the Justice Department is that a sitting President can not be indicted. It is not settled law, but that may be what he is talking about. However, a sitting President can be compelled to testify.
 

carpro

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LOL

Never trumpers are ever hopeful. Somehow it just doesn't seem becoming.
 

777

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Oh, he's at his end game, which is to try to lay the framework for impeachment. You know Mueller's record, he persecutes rather than prosecutes. But it's all slipping away, he knows they'll never have the numbers in the Senate anytime soon.

Mueller can't make Trump talk to him, don't care if Clinton had to testify in the Paula Jones suit, it was civil and filed before he became POTUS, and being POTUS doesn't waive your right to the Fifth. But hope spring eternal and this guy just didn't indict a ham sandwich, he indicted a company that didn't even exist, so there's that. Not happening, though.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Remember, this is Giuliani speaking. We don’t know what he will say tomorrow.


You are wise.


Not so fast. The primary goal of the the investigation is to generate a report and a recommendation.

The current opinion of the Justice Department is that a sitting President can not be indicted. It is not settled law, but that may be what he is talking about. However, a sitting President can be compelled to testify.
Correct
 

HankD

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New tactic - raise hopes, dash hopes, raise hopes, dash hopes... ad infinitum...
 

Baptist Believer

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New tactic - raise hopes, dash hopes, raise hopes, dash hopes... ad infinitum...
Who is doing that? It is certainly not Mueller's team. They haven't said much of anything that was not included in a legal proceeding. Perhaps you are being manipulated by the Trump surrogates or the media?
 

HankD

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Who is doing that? It is certainly not Mueller's team. They haven't said much of anything that was not included in a legal proceeding. Perhaps you are being manipulated by the Trump surrogates or the media?
Yes, the left marxist press.
 

Baptist Believer

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Yes, the left marxist press.
You should probably stop following the left Marxist press and look at all the major media outlets instead. Then you can form your own opinions from facts and information that is available publicly. And don't confuse punditry for news -- most of Fox News and much of CNBC, for example, are pundit shows, not true journalism.
 

HankD

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You should probably stop following the left Marxist press and look at all the major media outlets instead. Then you can form your own opinions from facts and information that is available publicly. And don't confuse punditry for news -- most of Fox News and much of CNBC, for example, are pundit shows, not true journalism.
I always track the pinko press.
 

Baptist Believer

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I always track the pinko press.
Sounds like a bad habit.

I have not experienced the "raise hopes, dash hopes, raise hopes, dash hopes... ad infinitum..." emotions that you describe. I have simply watched all kinds of Trump campaign and administration dirty laundry and corruption (how many investigations is Scott Pruitt under today?) come to the forefront almost every day. It is clear to me that Mueller's team must have quite a bit of evidence for a number of crimes, but we won't know (and shouldn't expect) to hear much about it until he issues his report.
 

Revmitchell

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You should probably stop following the left Marxist press and look at all the major media outlets instead. Then you can form your own opinions from facts and information that is available publicly. And don't confuse punditry for news -- most of Fox News and much of CNBC, for example, are pundit shows, not true journalism.

Most of all the major media outlets are Marxist press.
 

HankD

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Sounds like a bad habit.

I have not experienced the "raise hopes, dash hopes, raise hopes, dash hopes... ad infinitum..." emotions that you describe. I have simply watched all kinds of Trump campaign and administration dirty laundry and corruption (how many investigations is Scott Pruitt under today?) come to the forefront almost every day. It is clear to me that Mueller's team must have quite a bit of evidence for a number of crimes, but we won't know (and shouldn't expect) to hear much about it until he issues his report.
I was trained in intel/info so I know exactly what to look for by way of strategy and tactics - false and distorted news, false and unproven accusations, attempts of character assassination are the hallmark of the comrades.

The Ministry of Truth (CNN) the propaganda voice to the sheeple.
 

Baptist Believer

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Yes, the left marxist press.
Most of all the major media outlets are Marxist press.
You two have identified the major media outlets as "Marxist." I studied Marxism in college (Baptist school) and I don't see it. Of course Marxism is difficult to define because of the various strands of classic Marxism.

In what way or ways (be very specific) are they Marxist?

Do they rely on Marx's and Engels' theory of economics, social philosophy, or poltiical philosophy (or some combination thereof)?

Do they demand the use of violent revolution?

Are they pushing for a classless society which governs itself without a ruling class or structure?

Or is this simply an empty-headed pejorative thrown out (like "liberal") to vilify persons or institutions that do not endorse your belief system?
 

HankD

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You two have identified the major media outlets as "Marxist." I studied Marxism in college (Baptist school) and I don't see it. Of course Marxism is difficult to define because of the various strands of classic Marxism.

In what way or ways (be very specific) are they Marxist?

Do they rely on Marx's and Engels' theory of economics, social philosophy, or poltiical philosophy (or some combination thereof)?

Do they demand the use of violent revolution?

Are they pushing for a classless society which governs itself without a ruling class or structure?

Or is this simply an empty-headed pejorative thrown out (like "liberal") to vilify persons or institutions that do not endorse your belief system?
I see you are reverting to Alinsky tactics again;

* Overwhelm the sheeple with "superior" knowledge.
* Use insult by innuendo

HankD (emptyheaded)
 

Revmitchell

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Liberal is not an empty headed pejorative. The major news outlets support Marxist politicians and hate and despite all conservative people in general. They ignore facts and stories quite often that make their favorite candidate look bad while slamming conservative one's endlessly. Trump as had 90 % bad press.

For instance they supported with as much positive news reports the marxist take over of our health care system otherwise known as obamacare. The ultimate goal of obamacare was not that it be the final product but that it lead to state run health care.

They report favorably on those who would work in a revolutionary manner to squelch free speech at colleges and paint the conservative speakers as bad guys only working to incite violence.

I could go on and on but then you already know all of this. You may not like the facts or the monikers but they do not exist for your liking.
 

Baptist Believer

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I see you are reverting to Alinsky tactics again;
By asking you to clarify why you are using a specific term? You're the one throwing out the term. What do you mean by "Marxist?"

* Overwhelm the sheeple with "superior" knowledge.
I have never used the word "sheeple" nor claimed superior knowledge. I am asking a SERIOUS question. Here's your time to shine. Tell me why you are using the term. How does the mainstream media embody "Marxist" philosophy. You made the claim. It should be a simple answer.

* Use insult by innuendo
The only place you could find an insult is if you know deep in your heart that you have no idea why you are calling the mainstream media "Marxist." If you feel insulted, know that you have insulted a large group of people in journalism (and I know a fair number of newspeople) who work hard to present the new honestly and accurately. You should be ashamed for baselessly attacking people.

HankD (emptyheaded)
So by that statement, are you confessing you are simply throwing out a pejorative?
 
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