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What's Really Driving $5 Gasoline Worries

mandym

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I'd say you are being dishonest, again. Nobody was whining about gas prices. You started the thread. Whining about how everyone blames Obama for how his policies have affected us. Like he said they would.

And there you have it. This thread in a nutshell.
 

Crabtownboy

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I'd say you are being dishonest, again. Nobody was whining about gas prices. You started the thread. Whining about how everyone blames Obama for how his policies have affected us. Like he said they would.

Bush was not totally blame for the price rises during his admin, though his policies did not help bring down prices. Same with Obama. I am simply being honest in saying there are many factors. The president does not control everything.

Second, I can't tell the future, so I don't know what will happen to gas prices. I do know that they COULD be brought down.

ROFL, in your sweetest dreams.

Ain't gonna happen in the long run. Prices are gonna rise regardless of who is elected. I guarantee it.
 

InTheLight

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I do not know why the two major refineries were closed. But if production goes down by 20% the price will go up.

This was investigated over a decade ago.

The oil industry and its allies would have the public believe that insufficient refining capacity, restrictive environmental standards, growing gasoline demand and OPEC production cutbacks are the primary reasons for the current oil and gas supply problem.

However, the record shows – supported by documents I have obtained – that there is more to the story. Specifically, the documents suggest that major oil companies pursued efforts to curtail refinery capacity as a strategy for improving profit margins; that competing oil companies worked together to subvert supply; that refinery closures inhibited supply; and that oil companies are reaping record profits, yet may benefit from a proposed national energy policy that would offer financial incentives to expand refinery capacity.


http://wyden.senate.gov/issues/gas_prices/pdfs/wyden_oil_report.pdf
 

mandym

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will you admit you were wrong?


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Crabtownboy

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This was investigated over a decade ago.

The oil industry and its allies would have the public believe that insufficient refining capacity, restrictive environmental standards, growing gasoline demand and OPEC production cutbacks are the primary reasons for the current oil and gas supply problem.

However, the record shows – supported by documents I have obtained – that there is more to the story. Specifically, the documents suggest that major oil companies pursued efforts to curtail refinery capacity as a strategy for improving profit margins; that competing oil companies worked together to subvert supply; that refinery closures inhibited supply; and that oil companies are reaping record profits, yet may benefit from a proposed national energy policy that would offer financial incentives to expand refinery capacity.


http://wyden.senate.gov/issues/gas_prices/pdfs/wyden_oil_report.pdf

I believe you. Oil companies want one thing above all, high prices so their profits will be large.

Earlier this month the Department of Energy reported that the United States has become a net exporter of petroleum products (gasoline, diesel, etc.) for the first time since 1949.

It's important for Americans and our elected representatives to understand what that means especially if there's a possible connection between rising exports and a "tightened" U.S. supply that leads to rising domestic gasoline prices too.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/12/21/are-rising-oil-exports-good-for-america

Oil prices have fallen, but U.S. motorists aren't benefiting because the nation's refineries continue to boost exports and reduce supplies available domestically.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/07/business/la-fi-gas-prices-20110907

Note, export more to keep prices and profits high at home.
 

Crabtownboy

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So if gas prices are around $2.50 in say, the fall of 2013, will you admit you were wrong?

Note I said long term. Sure prices will go up and go down, just like the stock market. But the trend is up and the trend will continue upward until we find a cheaper power source than oil and gas. I did project out past the 2020 election. If prices are below today's prices then I will admit that I am wrong .... if I am able to still see and type ... if I am still alive then and that certainly is not a given.
 

Bro. Curtis

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ROFL, in your sweetest dreams.

Ain't gonna happen in the long run. Prices are gonna rise regardless of who is elected. I guarantee it.


So you are saying they CAN'T be brought down ? Again, I submit it is you doing the whining.
 

Crabtownboy

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So you are saying they CAN'T be brought down ? Again, I submit it is you doing the whining.

Man, I am just telling you like it is. Am I concerned about the price of gas rising? For others yes. For me no. I can adjust my lifestyle. You seem completely in denial. So be it. Time will show you that I am right, prices will rise. I promise it. No whining, no crying, just telling you the facts of life.

Over the long run prices cannot be brought down and kept down unless and only unless we find a cheaper substitute fuel. No whining, no crying, no complaining, no finger pointing ... as Joe Friday used to say, "Just the facts."
 

Bro. Curtis

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No, you are not. If you WERE telling it like it is, you would say that gas prices COULD be brought down. You just want to turn this into a game of semantics now, bacuse the O/P has been shredded. You are the one in denial. It is Obama closing refineries, blocking drilling & exploration, blocking anything to do with oil. To fulfill his promise of higher energy prices.
 
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Crabtownboy

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No, you are not. If you WERE telling it like it is, you would say that gas prices COULD be brought down. You just want to turn this into a game of semantics now, bacuse the O/P has been shredded.

The trend is up. Prices are going to go up as time passes. Fact. Stick you head in the sand, doesn't matter to me. The OP has been shredded only in your mind as your infantile attitude will not allow you to see the world at it is ... only as you want it to be. Look at the world, the events around the world, be logical and not irrational and you will see I am correct ... as much as you hate that idea. Sorry old fellow, you are totally incorrect.
 

Bro. Curtis

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The trend is up. Prices are going to go up as time passes. Fact. Stick you head in the sand, doesn't matter to me. The OP has been shredded only in your mind as your infantile attitude will not allow you to see the world at it is ... only as you want it to be. Look at the world, the events around the world, be logical and not irrational and you will see I am correct ... as much as you hate that idea. Sorry old fellow, you are totally incorrect.


LOL

Gas prices can be brought down. Admit that, then yer blood pressure will decrease. Try it. It ain't good for "old fellows" like us to get all riled up.
 

Crabtownboy

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LOL

Gas prices can be brought down. Admit that, then yer blood pressure will decrease. Try it. It ain't good for "old fellows" like us to get all riled up.

Dream on and die an angry, disillusioned old man. I deal in facts and will die a happy, informed old man.

If you do not approach the world informed and rational you can never prepare for change. To survive in this world in a meaningful way you have to do more than say, "prices can be brought down," and then point fingers when they do not come down. You have to read the world and what is happening, see the trends and take actions such that the events that can be foreseen do not have too great of a negative impact on you. Stick to your opinions, irrational as they are, and you will be devastated by that which you could have seen coming down the road. In every crisis there is opportunity. In ever good time there is opportunity. The goal is to realize what is crisis and how you can use it to your advantage ... or at least minimize the damage. In the stock market it is called cutting your losses short and letting your profits run. Same in life. My free advice to you this evening.

Getting late here. So good night, sleep tight and don't let the Montana bed bugs bite.

Oh, and say your prayers.
 
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Bro. Curtis

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Despite the constant whining from the liberals telling us doom and gloom, and we have to accept it, gas prices can be brought down. But doing so will illustrate just how much of a stranglehold they have on big oil. They could never let that happen.

So they tell us to accept it, and if we don't they speculate on what kind of death we will have.

Pathetic. Childish. Ill-informed. Dishonest. Everything I've come to expect from a C.T.Boy thread.
 

mandym

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Despite the constant whining from the liberals telling us doom and gloom, and we have to accept it, gas prices can be brought down. But doing so will illustrate just how much of a stranglehold they have on big oil. They could never let that happen.

You got it....tell a lie long enough and people will believe it.
 

billwald

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You all didn't expect gas to go to $5? You haven't planned for it? If not, why not? Baptists are supposed to be smarter than the rest of us.
 

billwald

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There is a good chance the oil companies are running up the price so that the economy will crash and Obama will lose.
 
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