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When are names written in the Lamb's book of Life?

Van

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People pridefully add to scripture, making it to no effect by their traditions.

We are not prophets, we are not inspired, we can only interpret and explain the inspired word. Some people who do not see what they like, seek to alter God's word to make it more palatable to them.

Question, when are the names of babies and toddlers written in the Lamb's book? Answer already given, when God transfers them spiritually into Christ after crediting their faith as righteousness. Implication, babies and toddlers do not enter heaven because they have not even had a chance to believe.

Those unwilling to accept this implication, seek to add to scripture a solution of their own creation.

Just for fun, here is a question for those claiming the right to rewrite scripture: Does scripture say babies and toddlers, who have done nothing right or wrong are sent to Hades? And if they were not sent to Hades, does Revelation 20 say they are tossed into the Lake of Fire?

The OP lays out the scriptural lock as to when names are written in the Lamb's book of life. No need to rewrite scripture.
 

Van

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Footnote to thread

The appeal to "time" is a nullification tool. By claiming sequential time does not exist in the spiritual realm, folks can nullify the sequence given in scripture, and say the sequence actually put the cart before the horse. But since people ask "how long must they wait" while in the spiritual realm, the biblical evidence is that things happen in linear sequence, just as in our physical realm.

For example, scripture says we were chosen for salvation through faith, i.e. our faith was utilized in our election, thus our faith existed before we were chosen. So the nullifiers, say we were chosen then given faith because God operates "outside" of time. I kid you not...
 

KenH

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because then they would have always received mercy for conception.

"2b1. From eternal election: the objects of justification are God's elect; "Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? it is God that justifies"; that is, the elect. Now if God's elect, as such, can have nothing laid to their charge; but are by God acquitted, discharged, and justified; and if they bore this character of elect from eternity, or were chosen in Christ before the world began; then they must be acquitted, discharged and justified so early, so as nothing could be laid to their charge: besides, by electing grace men were put into Christ, and were considered as in him before the foundation of the world; and if they were considered as in him, they must be considered as righteous or unrighteous; not surely as unrighteous, unjustified, and in a state of condemnation; for "there is no condemnation to them which are in Christ", (Romans 8:1) and therefore must be considered as righteous, and so justified: "Justified then we were, says Dr. Goodwin when first elected, though not in our own persons, yet in our Head, as he had our persons then given him, and we came to have a being and an interest in him."

2b2. Justification may well be considered as a branch of election; it is no other, as one expresses it, than setting apart the elect alone to be partakers of Christ's righteousness; and a setting apart Christ's righteousness for the elect only; it is mentioned along with election, as of the same date with it; "Wherein", that is, in the grace of God, particularly the electing grace of God, spoken of before, "he has made us accepted in the beloved" (Ephesians 1:6). What is this acceptance in Christ, but justification in him? and this is expressed as a past act, in the same language as other eternal things be in the context, he "has" blessed us, and he "has" chosen us, and "having" predestined us, so he has made us accepted; and, indeed, as Christ as always the beloved of God, and well pleasing to him; so all given to him, and in him, were beloved of God, well pleasing to him, and accepted with him, or justified in him from eternity.

2b3. Justification is one of those spiritual blessings with which the elect are blessed in Christ according to election-grace, before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:3,4). That justification is a spiritual blessing none will deny; and if the elect were blessed with all spiritual blessings, then with this; and if thus blessed according to election, or when elected, then before the foundation of the world: and this grace of justification must be no small part of that "grace which was given in Christ Jesus before the foundation of the world was" (2 Timothy 1:9). We may say, says Dr. Goodwin, of all spiritual blessings in Christ, what is said of Christ, that his goings forth are from everlasting—in Christ we were blessed with all spiritual blessings, (Ephesians 1:3) as we are blessed with all other, so with this also, that we were justified then in Christ!

2b4. Christ became a Surety for his people from everlasting; engaged to pay their debts, bear their sins, and make satisfaction for them; and was accepted of as such by God his Father, who thenceforward looked at him for payment and satisfaction, and looked at them as discharged, and so they were in his eternal mind; and it is a rule that will hold good, as Maccovius observes, "that as soon as one becomes a surety for another, the other is immediately freed, if the surety be accepted;" which is the case here and it is but a piece of common prudence, when a man has a bad debt, and has good security for it, to look not to the principal debtor, who will never be able to pay him, but to his good bondsman and surety, who is able; and so Dr. Goodwin observes, that God, in the everlasting transaction with Christ, "told him, as it were, that he would look for his debt and satisfaction of him, and that he did let the sinners go free; and so they are in this respect, justified from all eternity."

2b5. The everlasting transaction, the same excellent writer thinks, is imported in 2 Corinthians 5:19 . "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them". And the very learned Witsius is of opinion, "that this act of God may be called, the general justification of the elect." And, indeed, since it was the determination of God, and the scheme and method he proposed to take in Christ for the reconciliation of the elect, not to impute their sins to them, but to his Son, their Surety; then seeing they are not imputed to them, but to him; and if reckoned and accounted to him, then not to them; and if charged to him, then they must be discharged from them, and so justified; and a non-imputation of sin to the elect, is no other than a justification of them; and thus the apostle strongly concludes the imputation of Christ's righteousness; which is the "formalis ratio", or the form of justification, from the non-imputation of sin, and the remission of it (Romans 4:6-8)."

- excerpt from John Gill's A Body of Doctrinal Divinity
 
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Silverhair

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God's elect are saved among the Jews, including in the Old Testament.

Romans 9:27-29 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: for he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. And as Esaias said before,
Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

I agree, God's elect will come from both the Jews and the Gentiles. Those that have freely trust in God will be saved and be found in Christ and thus are the elect.
 

Silverhair

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God's elect are saved among the Jews, including in the Old Testament.

Romans 9:27-29 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: for he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. And as Esaias said before,
Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

I agree, God's elect will come from both the Jews and the Gentiles. Those that have freely trust in God will be saved and be found in Christ and thus are the elect. No one is elect until they are in Him.
 

KenH

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So the question you have to answer is why are some condemned as God stated that He wants all to be saved.

God wants all of His elect, chosen by Him before the foundation of the world, given to Christ to be their Surety, whose sins were imputed to Christ and for which He paid their sin debt, Christ's righteousness imputed to them, and who God preserves and brings to live with Him in glory forever.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

The "us-ward", the "any", that "all" in verse 9 are the elect of God, those whom God chose before the foundation of the world.

Therefore ALL of those whom God wants to saved to be saved, will be saved.

God is never a failure, regardless of how hard man-centered religionists try to make Him out to be.
 

KenH

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Question, when are the names of babies and toddlers written in the Lamb's book?

Every person whom God chose before the foundation of the world and gave to Christ to be their Surety and to die for their sins(including Adam’s sin in the Garden of Eden - Romans 5:12), their sins being imputed to Him, and His perfect righteousness imputed to them, will be saved. The Holy Spirit will regenerate them, grant them the gifts of faith in Christ and repentance of dead works, and God will preserve them (Jude 1:24-25). Age, young or old, is not a consideration, as salvation is 100% a work of God’s power and 0% a work of man, who has no power.

God has chosen whom He will save for His purposes and glory. We have no power to save others, we have no power to even save ourselves.

And that's on period.
 

Van

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"2b1. From eternal election: the objects of justification are God's elect; SNIP

2b2. Justification may well be considered as a branch of election; SNIP

2b3. Justification is one of those spiritual blessings with which the elect are blessed SNIP

2b4. Christ became a Surety for his people from everlasting; SNIP

2b5. The everlasting transaction, the same excellent writer thinks, is imported in 2 Corinthians 5:19 . "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them" SNIP

- excerpt from John Gill's A Body of Doctrinal Divinity
I see the usual rewrite the scripture claimed over and over again, that individuals were chosen before creation for salvation.

Not one of the regurgitations of falsehood even address that scripture absolutely precludes that interpretation. Non one!

Every saved individual once had not received mercy, therefore they were not chosen before their creation, because then they would have always received mercy from conception.

When God chooses an individual to be "His people" they become part of His people, and therefore to be "not a people" requires that sometime during their lifetime, they had not been individually chosen.

Thus 1 Peter 2:9-10 absolutely precludes anyone being chosen individually before creation. It is a lock no matter how much non-germane verbiage is posted.
 

Van

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Every person whom God chose before the foundation of the world SHIP
Question, when are the names of babies and toddlers written in the Lamb's book? Answer already given, when God transfers them spiritually into Christ after crediting their faith as righteousness. Implication, babies and toddlers do not enter heaven because they have not even had a chance to believe.

No one was individually chosen before the foundation of the world. That falsehood is precluded by 1 Peter 2:9-10. Full Stop
 

KenH

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Those that have freely trust in God will be saved and be found in Christ and thus are the elect.

And the elect were chosen by God before the foundation of the world and given to Christ.

Ephesians 1:3-14 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: that in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: that we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.


And God's elect trust in Christ because He empowers them to do so:

Psalm 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power,
In the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: Thou hast the dew of thy youth.

Salvation 100% by God's free, sovereign grace and 0% based on anything done by man's free will.

The idea is a fiction, anyway, that man has free will. God is absolutely, totally sovereign; man is not sovereign at all.
 

Van

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Posts 83 and 88 provided falsehoods and diversions using absurd, non-germane arguments. Note no discussion of the topic!

Names are written in the Lamb's book of life when God transfers the individual into Christ's spiritual body after He credits their faith as righteousness. See Post #80

Full Stop
 

KenH

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Note no discussion of the topic!

The topics were certainly discussed in both of those posts. You just don't like the Bible teaching that salvation is 100% by the free, sovereign grace of Almighty God.

Your man-centered religion demands that you get some credit for your salvation by you doing something to "finish the job" that you don't think that Christ finished, even though Christ said on the cross, "It is finished."
 

Silverhair

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God wants all of His elect, chosen by Him before the foundation of the world, given to Christ to be their Surety, whose sins were imputed to Christ and for which He paid their sin debt, Christ's righteousness imputed to them, and who God preserves and brings to live with Him in glory forever.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

The "us-ward", the "any", that "all" in verse 9 are the elect of God, those whom God chose before the foundation of the world.

Therefore ALL of those whom God wants to saved to be saved, will be saved.

God is never a failure, regardless of how hard man-centered religionists try to make Him out to be.

And you once again ignore the elephant in the room. God wants all to be saved or do you not believe scripture?

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

And Christ paid for all of mankind's sins or do you doubt what the bible says?
1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

Christ came to save the world not just your so called elect.
Joh 3:17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

And who can be saved?
Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

God has provided the means and man through his God given free will is held responsible for the choices he makes

A person actually trusting in God so that the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in them is biblical.
Act of the Apostles 8:37 If you believe with all your heart
Romans 10:13-14 whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved
Ephesians 1:13 In Him...after you heard...the gospel...having believed, you were sealed

And why can we say this
Romans 1:16 the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes

The God we find in scripture desires that all be saved and has provided the means for that to happen.

The god you seem to follow is not found in scripture but only in the writings of your fellow hyper cal's.
 

Silverhair

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See my post #86 above.

So you admit that you version of god can not save all those He desires to save. This we can clearly see as not all are saved are they.

You still keep making that same mistake. One is only elect when they are in Christ and no one was in Christ before the foundation of the world.
 

Silverhair

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And the elect were chosen by God before the foundation of the world and given to Christ.

Ephesians 1:3-14 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: that in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: that we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.


And God's elect trust in Christ because He empowers them to do so:

Psalm 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power,
In the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: Thou hast the dew of thy youth.

Salvation 100% by God's free, sovereign grace and 0% based on anything done by man's free will.

The idea is a fiction, anyway, that man has free will. God is absolutely, totally sovereign; man is not sovereign at all.

Salvation is 100% by God but He only saves those that have trusted in Him. Are you saying that you trusted in God even before you were born?

You even quoted the scripture that proves your view wrong.
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Why you continue to hold to your fiction in the face of scripture that shows your error is truly a mystery.
 

Rye

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And further you are making God responsible for all those that are in hell as He could have saved them but chose not to do so.

Would you agree that God is not obligated to save anyone in the first place? If so, is it unfair that He would only save some people?

Let’s say that it depends on our free will. Do you believe that someone born in the US into a Christian family has just as much of a chance as someone born in the Middle East into a Muslim family? How are both given equal chances to be saved if it’s up to them to make the right choice? Both have been placed into radically different circumstances where one has an advantage, the other does not.

There is grounds for boasting for the one that makes the right choice.
 
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