When Did Abraham Inherit the Promise?

[Hark]

Abraham had not received the promise yet when Jesus was on earth.

Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

1 Samuel 28:6-20 has the spirit of Samuel brought up from beneath the earth for where Abraham's bosom aka Paradise was at.

That was why Jesus said the parable of the rich man & Lazarus as Abraham's bosom aka Paradise was not up in Heaven yet. Luke 16:19-31.

He told the thief that he would be with Him in Paradise that day. Luke 23:43 He descended after His death for that purpose of preaching to those in prison ( 1 Peter 3:18-19 ) so that He may bring them to God. Ephesians 4:7-10

They were resurrected after His resurrection; Matthew 27:52-53 where now after His ascension, Paradise is in Heaven. 2 Corinthians 12;2-4 of which I believe Paul was speaking about the apostle John & the Book of Revelation where in that Book of Revelation, Jesus has the keys of hell & death. Revelation 1:17-18

So after His ascension, Abraham & O.T. saints are with God but still awaiting the Marriage Supper of the Lamb when Jesus is done preparing the places for the firstfruits of the resurrection.

 

[Aaron]

What was the promise?

 

[Aaron]

1 Samuel 28:6-20 has the spirit of Samuel brought up from beneath the earth for where Abraham's bosom aka Paradise was at.

And you see how bad exposition breeds bad theology.

 

[Hark]

What was the promise?

To live with God forever in that City of God in His kingdom of Heaven.

 

[Hark]

And you see how bad exposition breeds bad theology.

Then consider this truth as well. No man has ascended up to Heaven where the father dwells yet when Jesus was on earth.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. KJV

No man has seen God the Father yet when Jesus was on earth, but the Son has before He was incarnated as the Son of Man..

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

So that is why Abraham's bosom aka Paradise was beneath the earth, across the great gulf from hell but not in hell in according to Jesus's reference to the rich man & the beggar Lazarus. That was the holding place for O.T. saints BUT now is located in Heaven after His ascension.

Do click on all the scriptural references in blue to read the scriptures as applied before asking Jesus for help in seeing the truth in His words in rightly dividing the word of truth.

Feel free to prove it wrong by scripture, brother. All those scripture reference align to that truth in His words.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

 

[Yeshua1]

To live with God forever in that City of God in His kingdom of Heaven.

Thought that God promised Him to have offspring of a vast quantity, physically as national Israel, and spiritually as in spiritual israel!

 

[Hark]

Thought that God promised Him to have offspring of a vast quantity, physically as national Israel, and spiritually as in spiritual israel!

Clarity is needed, brother. Are you referring to the "Him" to Abraham or to Jesus Christ?

 

[percho]

He hasn't.

He will in a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump.

 

[percho]

Now I will go back and read the posts.

 

[Aaron]

To live with God forever in that City of God in His kingdom of Heaven.

To whom were the promises made?

 

[Aaron]

To whom were the promises made?

I'll make this quick. The Promises were made to Christ, Galatians 3:16 .

Has Christ ascended?

Yes, meaning the promises have been fulfilled.

Was Abraham raised with Christ? Yes, as are we all, Colossians 2:12 . Not only raised, but seated together with Him in heavenly places, Ephesians 2:6 . This is the First Resurrection. So, Yes, Abraham has inherited the promise, and has entered into the City, whose builder and maker is God, and serves in the Temple not made with hands, and is also a living stone of that Temple.

These are eternal truths, and they have been realized in Christ, the lamb slain from before the foundation of the earth.

In time, it doth not yet appear, but it is no less an eternal reality now. It's just covered with a veil. In time, it will be revealed at the resurrection of the just and the unjust. This is the Second Resurrection.

 

[percho]

I'll make this quick. The Promises were made to Christ, Galatians 3:16 .

Has Christ ascended?

Yes, meaning the promises have been fulfilled.

Was Abraham raised with Christ? Yes, as are we all, Colossians 2:12 . Not only raised, but seated together with Him in heavenly places, Ephesians 2:6 . This is the First Resurrection. So, Yes, Abraham has inherited the promise, and has entered into the City, whose builder and maker is God, and serves in the Temple not made with hands, and is also a living stone of that Temple.

These are eternal truths, and they have been realized in Christ, the lamb slain from before the foundation of the earth.

In time, it doth not yet appear, but it is no less an eternal reality now. It's just covered with a veil. In time, it will be revealed at the resurrection of the just and the unjust. This is the Second Resurrection.

that if possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect; but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Phil 3:11,12

Reconcile to your post, please. The gift of the Holy Spirit puts us in Christ, It does not make us like him.

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also, (vi Fut vxx 1 Pl) of resurrection:

 

[Aaron]

that if possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect; but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Phil 3:11,12

Reconcile to your post, please. The gift of the Holy Spirit puts us in Christ, It does not make us like him.

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also, (vi Fut vxx 1 Pl) of resurrection:

I will, after you. What would you say, knowing there are two resurrections? Pretend there is no Premillennial fog.

 

[Lodic]

Are you referring to a specific promise? According to Genesis 12:1-2, God promised great land, to make Abram a great nation, and great blessings. As @Aaron has pointed out, the "great nation" promise has been fulfilled in Christ.

In Genesis 15:18-21, God made a covenant with Abram, promising great land to his descendants. These "great land" promises have also been fulfilled according to Joshua 21:43-45, which states "...Not one of the good promises which the Lord had made to the house of Israel failed". 1 Kings 4:20-21, Nehemiah 9:7-8, Nehemiah 9:22-24, and Psalms 135:10-12 also confirm that the "land" promises have been fulfilled. Note that these passages use past tense in reference to these promises.

If Heaven was the promise referred to, why single out Abraham? The author of Hebrews pointed out that Abraham, as well as a "cloud of witnesses", had not received the promise of Heaven during their lifetime. Abraham's Bosom is just a name given to a place of rest according to "Got Questions" at What is the difference between Sheol, Hades, Hell, the lake of fire, Paradise, and Abraham’s bosom? | GotQuestions.org.

 

[Hark]

To whom were the promises made?

In regards to the context of Hebrews 11:13-16 to Abraham.

It was Yeshua1 reply that had "Him" capitalized for seemingly going off topic in the progress of the discussion for why I had asked him for clarity.

Thought that God promised Him to have offspring of a vast quantity, physically as national Israel, and spiritually as in spiritual israel!

But I do know what you meant in referring to Christ as the promised seed, because there is a promise to Him regarding Him as that seed Psalm 89:20-37 by using David as a symbolism to Christ in regards to the prophesied New Covenant by that seed of Christ..

 

[Hark]

I'll make this quick. The Promises were made to Christ, Galatians 3:16 .

Has Christ ascended?

Yes, meaning the promises have been fulfilled.

Was Abraham raised with Christ? Yes, as are we all, Colossians 2:12 . Not only raised, but seated together with Him in heavenly places, Ephesians 2:6 . This is the First Resurrection. So, Yes, Abraham has inherited the promise, and has entered into the City, whose builder and maker is God, and serves in the Temple not made with hands, and is also a living stone of that Temple.

These are eternal truths, and they have been realized in Christ, the lamb slain from before the foundation of the earth.

In time, it doth not yet appear, but it is no less an eternal reality now. It's just covered with a veil. In time, it will be revealed at the resurrection of the just and the unjust. This is the Second Resurrection.

I agree with you however, Yeshua1's reply was as far as the progress of the discussion in the thread was about Abraham in having not received the promise yet as per Hebrews 11:13-16 before he had capitalized Him for why I had asked him for clarity.

Thought that God promised Him to have offspring of a vast quantity, physically as national Israel, and spiritually as in spiritual israel!

Anyway, thank you for sharing.

 

[Hark]

What was the promise?

Seems I have lost track of the discussion with you. Sorry.

In regards to the first reference in the OP, the promise not received yet was about Abraham.

Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Somehow I had thought Yeshua1's question was the initial veering off topic but it was yours from the second reply.

Although you are correct in regards to the promise made to Christ, I was referring to the receiving of that promise per O.T. saints.

Sorry @Yeshua1 for saying you had gone off topic first. I did not consider that your reply which came without a quote was in regards to Aaron rather than the OP for why you had capitalized "Him". That was why I had asked you for clarity but with Aaron's 2nd reply, it should have been obvious to me then. So I apologize for posting that you had gone off topic first.

 

[Hark]

Reconcile to your post, please. The gift of the Holy Spirit puts us in Christ, It does not make us like him.

Unless you are referring to Aaron's post from another thread, I am not seeing this in that post you are replying to in post #11.

 

[Hark]

I will, after you. What would you say, knowing there are two resurrections? Pretend there is no Premillennial fog.

Are you two guys continuing a discussion from another thread because I am not following either one of you now.

 

[Hark]

Are you referring to a specific promise? According to Genesis 12:1-2, God promised great land, to make Abram a great nation, and great blessings. As @Aaron has pointed out, the "great nation" promise has been fulfilled in Christ.

In Genesis 15:18-21, God made a covenant with Abram, promising great land to his descendants. These "great land" promises have also been fulfilled according to Joshua 21:43-45, which states "...Not one of the good promises which the Lord had made to the house of Israel failed". 1 Kings 4:20-21, Nehemiah 9:7-8, Nehemiah 9:22-24, and Psalms 135:10-12 also confirm that the "land" promises have been fulfilled. Note that these passages use past tense in reference to these promises.

If Heaven was the promise referred to, why single out Abraham? The author of Hebrews pointed out that Abraham, as well as a "cloud of witnesses", had not received the promise of Heaven during their lifetime. Abraham's Bosom is just a name given to a place of rest according to "Got Questions" at What is the difference between Sheol, Hades, Hell, the lake of fire, Paradise, and Abraham’s bosom? | GotQuestions.org.

I seem to have started this hiccup in the flow of discussion in this thread so I can only hope the Lord will clarify it as other side topics of truth are being discussed here.

I was referring to when the O.T. saints had received the promise per Hebrews 11:13-16. It is that promise I was referring to as that was the topic of the OP before Aaron & Yeshua1 began referring to the promise made to Christ, thus confusing me. I had only asked Yeshua 1 for clarity when I should have asked Aaron for clarity rather than assuming he was referring to what I was talking about as in the promise not received yet by Abraham & O.T. saints per Hebrews 11:13-16.

Now that Abraham's bosom aka Paradise is located in Heaven since His ascension as the OP explained with scriptural reference .. One could say they have received the promise but still awaiting the firstfruits of the resurrection to take their place in the City of God when it is done by Jesus Christ since they too are awaiting the Marriage Supper of the Lamb as the reception of the Bridegroom to the bride in heaven per Luke 13:24-30.