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When God Is Going To Do Something

Crabtownboy

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“When God is going to do something wonderful, He or She always starts with a hardship; when God is going to do something amazing, He or She starts with an impossibility. ”

― Anne Lamott, Plan B: Further Thoughts on Faith
 

Crabtownboy

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The "He or She" speaks volumes.

She doesn't know the God of the Scriptures.

Check your Bible and see how often what we consider a female attribute is given in describing God.

Just a few example:

God comforts his people like a mother comforts her child (Isaiah 66:13)
Like a woman would never forget her nursing child, God will not forget his children (Isaiah 49:15)
God is like a mother eagle hovering over her young (Deuteronomy 32:11)
God seeks the lost like a housekeeper, trying to find her lost coin (Luke 15:8-10)
God cares for his people like a midwife that cares for the child she just delivered (Ps 22:9-10, Ps 71:6, Isa 66:9)
God experiences the fury of a mother bear robbed of her cubs (Hosea 13:8)
Jesus longed for the people of Jerusalem, like a mother hen longs to gather her chicks under her wings (Luke 13:34)
 

annsni

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Check your Bible and see how often what we consider a female attribute is given in describing God.

Just a few example:

God comforts his people like a mother comforts her child (Isaiah 66:13)
Like a woman would never forget her nursing child, God will not forget his children (Isaiah 49:15)
God is like a mother eagle hovering over her young (Deuteronomy 32:11)
God seeks the lost like a housekeeper, trying to find her lost coin (Luke 15:8-10)
God cares for his people like a midwife that cares for the child she just delivered (Ps 22:9-10, Ps 71:6, Isa 66:9)
God experiences the fury of a mother bear robbed of her cubs (Hosea 13:8)
Jesus longed for the people of Jerusalem, like a mother hen longs to gather her chicks under her wings (Luke 13:34)

Yet not one of them shows that God is a "she", does it? Note the key term "like" in those statements.

How does God refer to Himself? How did Jesus refer to God?
 

Rolfe

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Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. -Luke 23:34
 

InTheLight

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“When God is going to do something wonderful, He or She always starts with a hardship; when God is going to do something amazing, He or She starts with an impossibility. ”


5. No trolling. Trolling consists of provoking large volumes of responses by posting absurdities,
 

Crabtownboy

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Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. -Luke 23:34

As I see it the root problem is human language. We have two genders, thus we are limited to using a word that denotes one or the other gender. I believe God is the perfect blend of both plus even more that we are not capable of comprehending. If we had a third term I denoting both genders I believe that word would have been used. Thus in human form Jesus was also limited by language.

The Bible gives attributes to God that are both masculine and feminine ... but God is not limited to either.

The first time I heard someone say she or her when meaning God it bothered me. It pushed me out of my comfort zone. They I prayed, read, thought and ask questions. I am now comfortable in believing that God is more than simply male and more than simply female. God is more than we can comprehend and, sadly again, we are limited by language.

My guess is there are some clergy on the BB who agree, but will not publicly say so for fear from their lay members. There is an excellent small book entitled, "Ten Things Your Pastor Will Not Tell You But But Can't, Because He Needs His Job" by Rev. Buzz Thomas.

Reverend Buzz Thomas knows there are millions of Americans out there who just want honest answers to life’s biggest questions. In 10 Things Your Minister Wants to Tell You, Rev. Thomas cuts through all the agendas the Bible is used for today and finally says what many ministers are afraid to say when someone asks…

- How did it all begin?
- Why are we here?
- What is the Bible?
- Is there really such a thing as a miracle?
- How do I please God?
- What about women?
- What about homosexuality?
- What about other faiths?
- What happens after we die?
- How will it all end?
 
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matt wade

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Can we have a new BB Forum Category for "Quotes from non-Christians"? Crabby, you can be the moderator of that forum!
 

just-want-peace

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Just one more gut-wrenching example of liberalizing Scripture; and one of the results of radical feminism.

If - note I said IF - there was ever any doubt as to certain posters beliefs, this pretty well seals it!!
 

Bro. Curtis

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Why do you praise so many people who deny scripture ? Do you desire people to be saved, or do you desire to give them a comfortable ride to hell ?
 

Crabtownboy

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Show in Scripture (KJ, please) a passage that directly refers to Him as a female.

Here are examples from the Bible showing that God portrays what we consider female attributes.

As I said, God is more than gender. You cannot pigeon hole God in a male pigeon hole.


A: Female images for God (drawn from women’s biological activity)
1. God as a Mother:
a. a woman in labor (Isa. 42:14) whose forceful breath is an image of divine power . God is threatening to come against Israel in power, a power likened to the forceful air expelled from the lungs of a woman who is in the final throes of labor. Calvin misunderstood Isaiah’s intent and construed this as an image of maternal tenderness!
b. a mother suckling her children (Num. 11:12)
c. a mother who does not forget the child she nurses (Isa. 49:14-15)
d. a mother who comforts her children (Isa. 66:12-13)
e. a mother who births and protects Israel (Isa. 46:3-4). In contrast to idol worshippers who carry their gods on cattle, God carries Israel in the womb. The message to the people is two-fold: it demonstrates God’s superiority over other gods, and reiterates the divine promise to support and redeem. In short, God’s maternal bond of compassion and maternal power to protect guarantee Israel’s salvation.
f. a mother who gave birth to the Israelites (Dt. 32:18) The biased translation of the Jerusalem Bible ("fathered you") obscures the feminine action of the verb, more accurately rendered "gave you birth":
JB: You forget the Rock who begot you, unmindful now of the God who fathered you.
NRSV: You were unmindful of the Rock that bore you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.
The Hebrew word in the first line can be translated as either "begot" (male activity) or "bore" (female activity); the context must provide the key. The word in the second line can only refer to female activity. Scholars have taken these two lines either as a male and a female image of God back-to-back, or they take both of them as female, due to the way this verse is located in the overall poetic structure of Deuteronomy 32.
g. a mother who calls, teaches, holds, heals and feeds her young (Hosea 11:1-4) This poem is in the first person, where in Hebrew there is no distinction between male and female forms; the speaker can be either male or female. The series of activities are those that a mother would be likely to do: "it was I who taught Ephraim to walk, I took them up in my arms, but they did not know that I healed them. I was to them like those who lift infants [lit., suckling children] to their cheeks [OR: who ease the yoke on their jaws]; I bent down to them and fed them." (NRSV)
Given the context, it is possible that Hosea is indirectly presenting Yahweh as the mother over against the fertility goddess mother figure of the Canaanite religion that he is challenging. The images belong in pairs. Israel is presented as a wife in ch. 2 and as a son in ch. 11, that is, as female and male in tandem. It may be that Hosea is making the point that Yahweh alone is God by presenting Yahweh as the husband in ch. 2 and as the mother in ch. 11.
2. Other maternal references: Ps. 131:2; Job. 38:8, 29; Prov. 8:22-25; 1 Pet. 2:2-3, Acts 17:28.

B: Feminine images for God (drawn from women’s cultural activity).
1. God as a seamstress making clothes for Israel to wear (Neh. 9:21).
2. God as a midwife attending a birth (Ps. 22:9-10a, 71:6; Isa. 66:9) (midwife was a role only for women in ancient Israel).
3. God as a woman working leaven into bread (Lk. 13:18-21). This feminine image is equivalent to the image of God as masculine in the preceding parable of the mustard seed.
4. God as a woman seeking a lost coin (Lk. 15:8-10).This feminine image is equivalent to the image of God as masculine in the preceding parable of the shepherd seeking a lost sheep. Both Luke 13 and 15 contain paired masculine and feminine images for God, drawn from activities of Galilean peasants.

C: Additional examples of the divine feminine.
1. Female bird imagery. Yahweh is described by an analogy to the action of a female bird protecting her young (Ps. 17:8, 36:7, 57:1, 91:1, 4; Isa. 31:5; Dt. 32:11-12).
a. The eagle: Dt. 32:11-12: "As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings: so the Lord alone did lead Jacob ...." (KJV). The female eagle, both larger and stronger than the male, does the bulk of the incubation of the eggs as well as the hunting. She is the one who bears the eaglets on her wings when it is time for them to leave the nest. In a sudden movement, she swoops down to force them to fly alone, but always stays near enough to swoop back under them when they become too weary to fly on their own. It is a powerful image of God nurturing and supporting us when we are weak, yet always encouraging us to grow and mature. Cf. Ex. 19:4, "I bore you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself," and Job 39:27-30.
b. The hen: Mt. 23:37 (par. Lk. 13:34; cf. Ruth 2:12): "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not." In his lament over Jerusalem, Jesus employs feminine imagery. Whereas the magnificent eagle is associated with light, sun, height, mobility and exteriority, the lowly hen is "associated with the shadows and darkness of the henhouse, and with depth and stillness and interiority beneath the mothering wings" (V. Mollenkott, The Divine Feminine [Crossroad, 1987], 93). Each image illuminates a different, important aspect of God’s relation to us.
2. God as Mother Bear (Hosea 13:8), a fierce image associated with the profound attachment of the mother to her cubs. God’s rage against those who withhold gratitude is that of a bear "robbed of her cubs."
3. Holy Spirit (in Hebrew, feminine; in Greek, neuter) is often associated with women’s functions: the birthing process (Jn. 3:5; cf. Jn. 1:13, 1 Jn. 4:7b, 5:1, 4, 18), consoling, comforting, an eschatological groaning in travail of childbirth, emotional warmth, and inspiration. Some ancient church traditions refer to the Holy Spirit in feminine terms (the Syriac church used the feminine pronoun for the Holy Spirit until ca. 400 C.E.; a 14th c. fresco depicting the Trinity at a church near Munich, Germany images the Holy Spirit as feminine).
 

Bro. Curtis

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C.T.Boy, your post is a direct copy and paste. They are not your words.

Own up, source it, and state that you forgot to give the link to this woman's work that you are claiming.
 

Bro. Curtis

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Crabtownboy's post was lifted from Dr. Margo G. Houts of Calvin College. An exact copy and paste.

www.calvin.edu seems to be down at the moment, and I can't get any more information for her, but I will keep trying.
 
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