When Is The Last Day?

[LadyEagle]

My understanding is this; all believers in the Lord have their names in the book of life, it does not contain the names of unbelievers.

Do you agree with me?

Maybe not. There is a book of life mentioned in Scripture and a Lamb's book of life mentioned in scripture. Also there is a Scripture which speaks of "blotting" names out of the book of life.

Rev. 3:[5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

And in Revelation is the word "books." Pleural.

Book of life = all who ever lived.

Lamb's Book of Life = all who belong to Christ.

Could be.

OTOH, it could be anyone who ever lived has their name recorded in the Book of Life and at the Final Judgement, a person's name is Blotted out if they do not belong to Christ.

Or it could be both.

 

[acts17_11]

When is the last day?

Everyone who is anyone all know that the last day is the day after the day before the last day. And I will steak my steak on it (and the A-1).


By His Grace Alone,
Michael
www.friendship-piqua.org

 

[David M Walker]

Originally posted by OldRegular:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dr. Bob:
Nope. Not a 24-hour period. Not GWT judgment (that is not for believers, because all who stand there go the lake of fire/eternal hell - Rev 20).

Last Day/Days is a long period of time that will include the events of a parallel term, "Day of the Lord" which is hundreds of years.

If the Great White Throne Judgment was not for everyone why was the Book of Life Opened?

Revelation 20:15 states: And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

That passage does not teach that everyone at the Great White Throne Judgment was cast into the Lake of Fire but only those whose names were not in the Book of Life. </font>[/QUOTE]AMEN! Well said

 

[rjprince]

The error that everyone's name is the Lamb's Book of Life comes from failure to distinguish LBoL from the OT Book of the Living, Book Thou hast written. They are not the same. The TLBoL only contains the names of those chosen in Christ in eternity past.

Rev 3:5 clearly says that name will not be blotted out. If I see a bird flying and say "I will never be able to fly like that" it does not prove the potential of my personal flight. "Not blot out" does not mean that some could be blotted out. It means they will not be blotted out, period.

The passage does not give any indication that anyone leaves the GWT to go into eternal life. The only specific referent has everyone going to the Lake of Fire. Anything else is an argument from silence and it does not speak as loudly as some here would suggest.

Have not really developed this, but during the millennium believers will be under the New Covenant of Jer 31:31 ff. I see no need for them to be judged in any negative sense.

In fact, and I have spent a lot of time on this, believers in this age will NEVER be judged to determine eternal destiny. We are judged IN this life to conform us to the image of Jesus. We are chastened that we should not condemned with the world (1Cor 11:31-32). The BEMA seat of Christ is not for the purpose of judgement in ANY negative sense. We shall not come under condemnation, but are passed from death to life. The GWT is for the purpose of judgment to condemnation. Believers will not be there! Neither from OT age, this age, or the Millennial age. I find no problem with MK believers not being present at the GWT, except maybe as witnesses.

So what about the MK believers? I see them in 20:4, 7, 24 and 21:11b-12. Why are they not an object of the GWT? Because their sins have been covered by the blood of the Lamb. Not really all that complicated for me.

If there is silence regarding MK believers in 20:11-15, read the rest of Word on the subject of judgement, or rather REWARD for believers.

 

[rjprince]

Book of Life is not opened to see if they are there. It is opened to demonstrate that their names are not there. They are then judged according to their works. Works are never sufficient to save. Works are only sufficient demonstrate that the eternal judgement of God is just, and to determine degree of punishment as Dr. Bob noted earlier.

 

[prophecynut]

Everyone good or bad is judged and resurrected on the last day.


----------{............................that day..............................}
Church-{Rapture--Second Coming--great white throne}-eternal state.

 

[David M Walker]

Originally posted by av1611jim:
Same scripture you use to dismiss it.
Rev. 20:15 "whosoever was not found in the book of life..."
It is clear there will be some who are found in that book.
Otherwise it would have said differently.
Same as when it is said, "whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Clearly this means that some will not call on Him.
Same, same.
You STILL have not answered me. WHERE are the believers who come out of the Kingdom age?

How do you define "whosoever?" It does NOT mean everybody.

In His service;
Jim

"....WHERE are the believers who come out of the Kingdom age?"

"How do you define "whosoever?" It does NOT mean everybody."

{STILL no answer....}

 

[DeafPosttrib]

There is no evidence find anywhere in the Bible saying there shall be series of the judgment days in the future. Bible clear teaching us, there shall be only one judgement day for everyone all shall face Christ sits on the throne.

Like as Matthew 25:31-46 is very clear teaching general judgment for the world follow Lord's coming on the last day.

In Chrost
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[HankD]

Refering back to the original question concerning a 24 hour period of time and the GWT judgment:

The phrase "last day" singular (as opposed to "last days" plural) could indicate a 24 hour period. It's possible, but as we see this idea developed, it throws a big "monkey wrench" into our eschatological musings trying to piece it all together.

John 6
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 12
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

John 7
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

HankD

 

[Ed Edwards]

DeafPosttrib: "Bible clear teaching us, there shall be only one judgement day for everyone all shall face Christ sits on the throne."

Your search for "only one" resulted in:
1 Verse

So 6:9 (KJV1769):
My dove, my undefiled is but one;
she is the only one of her mother,
she is the choice one of her that bare her.
The daughters saw her, and blessed her;
yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her.

That is it, the one and only "only one"
in the whole Bible.

 

[Ed Edwards]

The meaning of "day" in Bible prophecy
is "the appropriate time. The meaning of
"hour" in Bible prophecy is "the appropriate
time. In God's economy 1 day = 1 hour.

BTW, no dictionary i've ever read tells
about the 48-hour day (on earth). 48 hours
is the time that one date (say today's
date: Monday, 13 Dec 2004) lasts at
all places on the earth.

 

[HankD]

BTW, the "feast" of John 7:2-37 is the feast of Tabernacles (Sukkoth).

Significant?

HankD

 

[DeafPosttrib]

There is DIFFERENCE between 'last day' & 'Last dayS.

For example in 2 Timothy 3:1 says, "This know also, that in the last dayS perilous timeS shall come."

Apostle Paul told us, we shall know that in the last dayS, there shall be dangerous times. Even, already we seeing the signs appear everywhere since Early Church history to today.

Last day is much difference from 'last dayS'.

We have been in the last days for near 2,000 years since Pentacost to now.

The last days will be over WHEN Christ shall come to call all people to resurrection from the grave, that shall be on the last day of the humankind era.

Same common sense, a second grade student knows there will be last day of the class tomorrow, then after this last day of the class past, then there will be NO MORE class afterward for the summer.

Reading John chapter 6 is not difficult for you to understand. You have to accept what Christ saying. Why you(any pretribbers) seem having difficult deal with John 6:39,40,44, & 54 -'last day'? This is very strong speak opposite of pretrib/premill's teaching 'last day' is stretch into 2,555 days(7 years) or 365,000 days(1000 years) either. None find anywhere in the Bible saying there is two comings of Christ 3 1/2 or 7 years apart. Bible teaches us, once for all people shall be risen from the grave that would be follow Christ's coming on the last day. Very simple. You have to accept what the Bible saying.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[James_Newman]

Originally posted by HankD:
Refering back to the original question concerning a 24 hour period of time and the GWT judgment:

The phrase "last day" singular (as opposed to "last days" plural) could indicate a 24 hour period. It's possible, but as we see this idea developed, it throws a big "monkey wrench" into our eschatological musings trying to piece it all together.

John 6
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 12
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

John 7
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

HankD

If the last day referred to a single specific time period (perhaps 24 literal hours, perhaps not) that occured at the end of the revealed age of man in the bible, what problems would that pose? As DPT states, the last day and the last days are not the same thing. So while the last days surely have started and we are in them presently, the last day is still a future event that we look toward in bible prophecy. Taking the 'last day' as a literal 'day' in which God ressurects the dead, judges them and sorts them by color (crimson or white?) what would this do to our 'musings' as HankD put it?

 

[HankD]

God resurrects the dead, judges them and sorts them by color (crimson or white?)

Sheep from goats, wheat from tares, good fish from bad fish?

HankD

 

[DeafPosttrib]

Use our common sense, Christ used illustrations as what he taught, he does not give complex or 'seminary' teaching to his disciples, and also to the people too. I believe Christ used illustrations with simple teachings of spiritual meanings.

Notice, word, 'sheep and goat', 'wheat and tare', good fish and bad fish'. We easy understand what Christ was talking about. He speaks of two groups - unbelievers and believers. No matter what race or color we are. There are two groups over the world today since from Adam's time.

Christ teaches us, both believers and unbelievers are growing together over the world right now. When Christ shall come with his angels, the angels will gathering all unbelievers, separate them from the believers, and cast them into everlasting fire.

Reading Matthew chapter 13; 24-25 are not difficult for you to understand. You have to accept what Christ saying.

Why you seem little resisting or wrestle with God's Word, what Christ simple saying? You have to accept what Christ saying, follow what He saying instead listening to any man's own teaching.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[HankD]

Why you seem little resisting or wrestle with God's Word, what Christ simple saying? You have to accept what Christ saying, follow what He saying instead listening to any man's own teaching.

I am offended by these words DPT. I do not wrestle with God's Word, I have always accepted what Christ has said and I do not follow the teachings of men. BTW DPT what man have I mentioned in my posts that have caused you to assume that I am following?

HankD