1689Dave
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“For all the promises of God in him [Jesus]are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” 2 Corinthians 1:20 (KJV 1900)
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When is/was/will the 1st seal be opened?
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You forgot to tell us how all those folks who were beheaded in the great tribulation were living thousands of years ago? Ha. Also, in the end all islands are moved out of their places, do you think Patmos started off in Hawaii? Get serious.
1689Dave
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The Papacy was the Antichrist who murdered millions if you study history. He remains but now controls protestants and Evangelicals through many false doctrines they cherish.
“Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which conflicts with Church dogma must be burned without pity.”
– Pope Innocent III
The islands moving are symbols for the end of the world. The seals, trumpets, and bowls are the same events that are part of world history leading up to the end. Don't let the Jesuits fool you too. They are happening now if you learn how to see them.
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There were and are many antichrists. The final leader will be in a certain time, and be a man.
You declare islands are not really islands. I see. Moving is not really moving. So towers are not really towers? Angels not really angels? Keep us posted on what is real eh?
Your excuse for outright disbelief of bible prophesy seems to be hatred of popes. Sorry if you thought that would fly.
I can't recall ever meeting or speaking to a Jesuit. Of all things fooling people, they seem low on the totem pole.
1689Dave
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The problem is, they conceal information like this in books. So it's off-limits to many arm-chair prophecy buffs even though the books are readily available.
Who really cares what some old geysers hide? Maybe some arm of their organization is working directly for Satan.Big deal. There is a long list of other organizations as well. The final leader is a human. A man. He will only be allowed to have power for a very limited time. He will do certain things. There is no possibility you can wave that away or try to claim it was historical. Your choice is to believe it or not.
1689Dave
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You do not know what you are talking about. And God warns about adding to Revelation. How many years do you have invested in bible study?
Believing prophesy is not taking anything away or adding to it. Pretending a man will not come as Rev says and saying it was a bunch of old popes is taking away. We either believe it or not.
No, Scripture makes it plain the AC will be one man. And no pope ever came close to fulfilling all the Scriptural criteria for the beast/antichrist.
No, that's more pret garbage you read in some schmuck's book. Islanda are small above-water land masses surrounded by water. The seals, trumps, & bowls are parts of the coming great trib.
timtofly
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The fire that destroys those rebels at the end of the 1000 years is not the fire of the Second Coming. The cleansing fire of the Second Coming literally destroys the current works of humanity now, not 1000 years from now.
The Second Coming is to the Mt. of Olives, to save Jerusalem from being attacked. The rapture happens as Christ descends. The church is gathered in Paradise, by the time Jesus Christ the Prince reaches earth, and Israel is saved and then changed in a day.
The Second Coming is the 6th Seal event. The 6 Trumpets cover Matthew 25 and Christ judges the house of Jacob. Israel is called out of all the Nations and separated as sheep and goats. It is Jesus Christ the Prince who sets up His throne in His Temple. The Temple the Jews think they are supposed to be preparing for. Except all they have to go by is the Law of Moses. When they see Jesus Christ at the Second Coming in the 6th Seal, their spiritual blindness will be removed, and they will see the Lamb of God.
The Second Coming is the final harvest of all souls currently alive on the earth. Jesus claimed in several parables, that He is bringing the angels to carry out this final harvest.
While Jesus is on the earth, tares will be sown by Satan, that is deceptive thoughts. The 7 Thunders cover this harvest after the church is gone, after Israel is gone. There will still be all the nations left to be harvested as tares and wheat. John was told not to include the 7 Thunder judgments. We do not know what happens during the harvest of the wheat and tares. We only know it will happen. So, no! Neither the church nor Israel will be around when this wheat and tares harvest occurs.
After the 7 Thunders are completed is when the 7th Trumpet sounds. We are not given any 7 year time table in Revelation. The 7th Trumpet itself is a week long celebration like the week Israel marched around Jericho. It is like the week of the Cross starting on Palm Sunday, and ending on the Resurrection.
If, and a big if, Satan gets 42 months, 3.5 years, it will be because the week of the 7th Trumpet is split in half. On Wednesday, the remaining 3.5 days, will be postponed until the 42 months come to an end. Jesus Christ, the angels, and the 144k will leave Jerusalem for mount Zion. That is when Satan will sit on the throne in the Temple in Jerusalem. That is the 42 months of desolation that Gabriel told Daniel about in Daniel 9:27.
Many want to say Revelation is out of order chronologically or that it is just recaps of the same event starting at the Cross in 30AD and ending at some grand finalle at the Second Coming, including Revelation 20. That is not the case.
The first 2000 years of Adam's punishment was overseen by the nations. Then God called out Abraham. Yet Jacob had to wait 600 years, while Isaac's older brother Ishmael was a major kingdom. Then when Jericho was destroyed, Israel had 1400 years until Christ came. Now the church has had 1991 years.
The Second Coming is the systematic removel of humanity to bring Adam's flesh and blood to an end. The 6000 years of sin has come to an end. The church is removed first. Then Israel, and last the Nations themselves. That is why we have the Seals, representing the Church, the Trumpets representing Israel, and the Thunders representing the Nations themselves.
No one knows the day or hour this starts, yet 5 Seals will be opened prior to the Second Coming and rapture of the church. Then God will deal with Israel, and with the Nations, in the following months. If there is a harvest left after the 7th Trumpet starts to sound, then it will be necessary for Satan to carry out this last harvest for 42 months. This 42 months of harvest will be concluded at the battle of Armageddon. The last of Adam's flesh and blood will be killed. If the 42 months are not necessary, then at the end of the 7th Trumpet will be the winepress of the Lamb in Revelation 14. All of Adam's flesh and blood will be dead.
The 1000 year Millennium starts with a resurrection. Also a newly restored heaven and earth. It is the Sabbath Day of the Lord. The earth will once more be populated without sin or a sin nature. Satan will not be allowed to do anything at all. Only after the 1000 years have ended, will Satan be allowed to decieve these humans who have only known the reign of Jesus Christ the Prince. They will have their opportunity to reject God. They will be consumed by fire for this rejection. Only then will current creation come to an end. The NHNE will appear and those on earth will enter the NE. Those in Paradise will come down in the New Jerusalem.
While that is going on, all the dead will stand before the GWT from all time. Those from sheol, from Death, and from the sea, who have been waiting for this final judgment. Those who choose to remain unredeemed will be cast into the Lake of Fire.
timtofly
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Noah did not marry his sister. Why just Ham?
The sons of God had permanent incorruptible physical bodies. The sons of Adam had corruptible sin nature physical bodies. That is the big difference between the offspring of Adam and the rest of humanity.
The question is were those created on the 6th day, including Adam, larger in form than Adam's fallen corruptible physical body? That is very likely. Remember that other animals were also larger prior to the Flood. After the Flood, Adam's genetic makeup was stronger than the genetics left over from the sons of God, which was also not pure after hundreds of years of mixing with Adam's corruptible flesh. Noah's descendants drove those larger animals to extinction, as humans still strove to be the dominant species. There would still be, at different times, the genetics of those larger humans, coming out as dominate in some families.
If many today, think Abraham's genetics are in every human, why would the perfect genetics of the sons of God, also not be there? The irony is the fact, some today who think they can isolate and only reproduce a bloodline of purely genetic sons of God. That seemed to have happened naturally during Abraham's day. Not so much almost 4000 years later.
He destroys His enemies and there are still nations to rule over. So sorry, no great fire that destroys the world at all when He returns.
Changed in the sense that they are saved. Not that they disappear or some such.
So the bible says there must be a temple there, and that nothing could possibly destroy it before the end. Chapter and verse?
? No one has ever or ever will keep the law. That will not be what saves them.
Not sure what you think harvest means in that context.
You seem to be thinking that when harvest is mentioned, that means some sort of sky ride? No. The wicked are killed right here. The stench will be bad.
Chapter and verse?
Sorry, that is gibberish.
Adam only lived about 930 years so there was no first 2000 years of him being punished. The nations no more oversaw some 'punishment' of Adam than they do now. Nations are just sinners in a group and area.
I think I'll cut of the reply here since you have descended into strangeness. By the time Jesus returns, notice that He comes with His saints. That means that they were already removed from earth before that time. There will also be plenty of flesh and blood left when He returns. The ones who fight Him will be killed, and the others will be alive. There will still be nations on earth that we rule over. So that business about folks born of Adam and Eve ceasing to exist seems bizarre.
No, the rapture will occur before the great trib begins. Most likely, the beast/antichrist will be in power, but his evil won't yet be apparent. The Jews' new temple in Jerusalem may or may not be built already.
At Jesus' return, He will destroy the beast's army by the power of His spoken word, which will be the sword coming from His mouth. And He will bring the trib saints to Himself. That includes those still living, the souls of those killed after the rapture, 1he 144 K Israelis, & the 2 special witnesses.
Difference between that event & the earlier rapture is, at the rapture, Jesus will call all the saints, past or living, to Himself. He won't come to them; He will call them to Himself in the air. However, He will come to the still-living trib saints.
This is all horse feathers. Adam was the great-several hunderd times-grandfather of all people.
timtofly
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Nope. You have the wrong era. Still the church here. You really think the church age only lasted 40 years? That was how long the Israelites wandered in the wilderness before their 1400 year trek as stewards of the vineyard.
The church has had 1991 years as Stewards, but that will be over soon. Then the 1000 year Day of the Lord Sabbath.
timtofly
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They were still the Stewards. The established church at Rome faired no better than the Israelites did. The established church in Rome was the most wicked Nation on earth.
timtofly
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I do not know a single Premil who does not acknowledge that the Kingdom is currently going strong in Paradise and has been since the Cross.
Now most Premil think this Paradise is going to come to earth 1000 years too soon. But certainly no one is waiting 2000 years for a Kingdom to start at a Second Coming event like post mill or Amil do.
Both of you view the 1000 year reign on earth wrong. First off, the church has nothing to do with the 1000 years on earth, neither symbolically, nor literally. That is where premil are wrong just like post mill and amil. Do you think Jesus Christ needs to rule with an iron rod those living in Paradise who are like the angels without free will, nor the ability to procreate?
Revelation 20 is for those living on earth, because that is where it plays out. Even you all who think this all comes to an end at the Second Coming still have it on earth, so you all cannot even pretend it is in the heavenly or symbolic of now, if your here and now are on earth. Explain why Satan is loosed in heaven, or symbolic of rebellion in Paradise. Only those living on earth can be decieved, and if they reign with Christ on earth, then Christ is literally reigning with them on earth. And of course a Second Coming brings Christ to earth, at the start, not at the end.
timtofly
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What ever happened to just plain reading comprehension of God's Word?
Why excuse God's Word with human theology?
Your interpretation or opinion is not any thing better than any other human's thoughts on what they read in God's Word. You put the puzzle together just like every one else. Most complain pre-mill are too literal. Why is that more wrong than just making up your own outcome of symbolic terms? One still has to have a literal application, or symbolism is meaningless.
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