When should a pastor be removed?

[Gorship]

i will say, if your congregation is walking around your church 7 times and blowing horns, you may just want to have a meeting.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Please stay on topic and not try to divert this to "politics" or you will be asked not to post.

 

[saturneptune]

As a pastor, I have "spiritual authority" over the people I serve.

Your spiritual authority is one vote away from a vote for removal. It really does not matter what you think the standards should be, it matters what the congregation decides.

 

[Aaron]

Please stay on topic and not try to divert this to "politics" or you will be asked not to post.

Okay, but CBT's incredulous statements can be met only with befuddlement until it's understood that politics is where he is coming from.:type:

 

[PeterM]

Your spiritual authority is one vote away from a vote for removal. It really does not matter what you think the standards should be, it matters what the congregation decides.

That's congregationalism... I lead, I don't rule. That said, there are plenty of unspiritual churches out there that think just that way and remind their pastors faithfully. It is nothing more than consumerism at its ugliest.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I am am a Baptist. I do not believe any man/woman has spiritual authority over anyone.

Who said anything about "spiritual authority"? Obviously I'm talking about leading by example, and being a good steward of the resources a pastor has been given, i.e., his flock. If he leads down a path of folly, then where do the sheep go?

You seem to jump to conclusions a lot. I thought I was the world's champion conclusion jumper around here.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Take one scenario a little further.

Pastor does not approve of interracial marriage. Daughter falls for a guy of another race, and after months of internal fighting at home, daughter leaves the house.

This action complicates things, and turns the issue into a "he said she said" gossip fest within the pastors church. Pastor's claim, is that this is nothing to do with race. This is to do with his adult (mid 20's) daughter disobeying him. And proceeds to preach that his daughter should be under his care, until she is married.

Daughter offers herself up for church discipline, pastor refuses proclaiming it a "family matter", that is not subject to church discipline.

1 Timothy 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

 

[saturneptune]

1 Timothy 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

The verse is totally out of context. In the senario, the actions of the pastor in no way reflect his ability to maintain order in a household. There is nothing unBiblical about marrying a different race for one. Two, in her mid twenties, she had no business living at home. She is an adult. An three, most of the dissention was caused by ten foot nosed gossips in the church.

If you are going to post a verse, make it apply.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

The verse is totally out of context. In the senario, the actions of the pastor in no way reflect his ability to maintain order in a household. There is nothing unBiblical about marrying a different race for one. Two, in her mid twenties, she had no business living at home. She is an adult. An three, most of the dissention was caused by ten foot nosed gossips in the church.

If you are going to post a verse, make it apply.

As long as she is living under his roof, she has an obligation to obey him. The fact that he and she were argumentative shows rebellion on her part. On his the inability to rule.

 

[saturneptune]

As long as she is living under his roof, she has an obligation to obey him. The fact that he and she were argumentative shows rebellion on her part. On his the inability to rule.

Baloney, the verse is talking about the inability to rule a family. She had no business there. Despite our warped standards, people in their twenties are adults, and are not suppose to be living at home, working at McDonalds and playing video games the rest of the day. The disorder was not caused by the father's inability to lead. If the daughter moved out, and the gossips were disfellowshipped, I am sure the pastor would be fine. The element of the different race is about as ridiculous as it gets.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Baloney, the verse is talking about the inability to rule a family. She had no business there. Despite our warped standards, people in their twenties are adults, and are not suppose to be living at home, working at McDonalds and playing video games the rest of the day. The disorder was not caused by the father's inability to lead. If the daughter moved out, and the gossips were disfellowshipped, I am sure the pastor would be fine. The element of the different race is about as ridiculous as it gets.

Glad you identified your post as baloney before you typed it. Makes it just as easy to recognize it as such.

Regardless of her age, she was a member of the pastor's house and subject to his rule.

 

[saturneptune]

Glad you identified your post as baloney before you typed it. Makes it just as easy to recognize it as such.

Regardless of her age, she was a member of the pastor's house and subject to his rule.

Yes, she had a mental condition also. That was a punishment from God. Based on your posts, who do you think would make a better pastor, you or the person in the senario?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Yes, she had a mental condition also. That was a punishment from God. Based on your posts, who do you think would make a better pastor, you or the person in the senario?

pk's post says nothing of the daughter having a mental condition. Starting a rumor?

 

[convicted1]

How 'bout after his wife forgets the chicken n' dumplings????


I know, I know, boo, boo, hiss, hiss........

 

[Steadfast Fred]

How 'bout after his wife forgets the chicken n' dumplings????


I know, I know, boo, boo, hiss, hiss........

Forgot the chicken and dumplings??? Egads!!!

 

[abcgrad94]

There is nothing unBiblical about marrying a different race for one. Two, in her mid twenties, she had no business living at home. She is an adult. An three, most of the dissention was caused by ten foot nosed gossips in the church.

I agree with you, SN.

I think this is a family problem, not so much a church issue. There comes a time when adult children need to make their own life choices and move out of the house and out from under parental authority. In this particular scenario, I would advise the grown daughter to move out and live her own life the way she sees fit. That would include getting a job, paying for her own bills, and taking responsibility for herself physically and financially without parental help. If she and her father disagree, she should attend a different church after she moves out.

I would not recommend her trying to oust the father as a pastor. It won't work. She'll be labeled a rebellious kid trying to seek revenge on the dad. Better to just go her own way and let the church realize on their own if this is a "family matter" or a spiritual problem with the man.

 

[pk4life]

Yes, call me foolish and blessings to you. I've made all my commentary based upon your 'story' and frankly your story lacks evidence, yet you want to convict a pastor. You've smelled blood and now you're crazed for it.

That, and all we have is your side of the story, so go see Proverbs 14:15 for instance. Any wise person should be leery of commenting when you only start off with a portion of the truth only to come out later with 'more'. That is being deceitful and is begging the question. :wavey:

On your side (congregational) you've shown such to be the 'unforgiving servant' side. Thus YOU are in error.

You've failed to prove the pastor as such. Honestly you should be ashamed, but up to this point I don't think you can be ashamed.

do you know, what a scenario is? It's not a 1:1 accurate interpretation of events...

 

[preacher4truth]

The verse is totally out of context. In the senario, the actions of the pastor in no way reflect his ability to maintain order in a household. There is nothing unBiblical about marrying a different race for one. Two, in her mid twenties, she had no business living at home. She is an adult. An three, most of the dissention was caused by ten foot nosed gossips in the church.

BINGO! :thumbsup:

 

[pk4life]

I agree with you, SN.

I think this is a family problem, not so much a church issue. There comes a time when adult children need to make their own life choices and move out of the house and out from under parental authority. In this particular scenario, I would advise the grown daughter to move out and live her own life the way she sees fit. That would include getting a job, paying for her own bills, and taking responsibility for herself physically and financially without parental help. If she and her father disagree, she should attend a different church after she moves out.

I would not recommend her trying to oust the father as a pastor. It won't work. She'll be labeled a rebellious kid trying to seek revenge on the dad. Better to just go her own way and let the church realize on their own if this is a "family matter" or a spiritual problem with the man.

That is exactly the fear.

 

[abcgrad94]

Regardless of her age, she was a member of the pastor's house and subject to his rule.

Where in scripture are women commanded to live under parental control until that control is passed from father to husband? What if the woman is 40 and still unmarried, she still can't make her own life decisions and must live under daddy's roof?

This isn't the dark ages, where women were treated like mindless idiots with no opinion or intelligence of their own, forced into arranged marriages and not allowed to have a career before marriage.