Then you shouldn’t have a problem with Mary being the mother of God.
No. She is a creature. God is Uncreated and Eternal.
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Then you shouldn’t have a problem with Mary being the mother of God.
No. She is a creature. God is Uncreated and Eternal.
Telling a criminal that robbing a bank will send him back to jail.
He may not like it - but it is the truth!
and yes Jesus is the Core of our Faith
Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
I found this definition of Eucharist "the Christian service, ceremony, or sacrament commemorating the Last Supper, in which bread and wine are consecrated and consumed"
If that definition is correct - then I stand by what I stated - Partaking of the Lords supper does NOT get anyone to Heaven!
Since she is NOT God - there is no reason to pray to Mary!
Thru the power of the Trinity via the Holy Spirit. Mary was just a vessel, a means to bring in an incarnation. She did not teach, she did not give sight to the blind, hearing to the deaf, healing to the lame or raise the dead… nor die for our sins so I don’t worship the woman. You Catholics just make stuff up as you go along. Pure heresy!!!
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You can honor her, you can honor Francis of Assisi, Pope John Paul … even Pope Francis but don’t pray to them cause that’s idol worship.
Yes there is, she is the handmaid of the Lord, the Royal housekeeper of The King.
We ask her to pray for us, and throw some scraps out the windows, she has the full trust and run of His House.
It’s scriptural.
“ Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. “
Is asking someone for prayers, worship? No.
Worship for us is a very specific thing. Petitions another.
Baptist’s take prayer requests, I’ve seen it.
I assume you are refering to Luke 1:38
But that verse has NOTHING to do with praying to Mary or any other non-diety
My grandmother’s family was from Italy but they lived, worked and sometimes fought for other countries and her father was a citizen of France for a time before finally emigrating to the USA. They supplied the Pennsylvania anthracite coal region with food … being butchers and poultry farmers and grocery store owners. They were also Roman Catholics. The language spoken in the home was always English, they always went to church on Sunday and Holy Days of Oblication but by in large and by temperament they were stoic, with a ton of gravitas. You respected them there experiences and their work ethic. So when the Priest at the local church had Uncle Pat excommunicated, the family took it in stride.
Now that family was considered wealthy via sweat and toil. They also came from many places including the Piedmont region… and grandma’s mother hid that her side were Waloons … and persecuted by the Catholics. I tell you this story because most of those people were crushed by the RCC because they did not submit to the RCC. Quite a display of Christian love! When I heard that story, I understood Uncle Pat’s seemingly unconcern at being excommunicated. Why he even had the local paper take out adds announcing community leaders joining the Masons and his name was on the list(with a photo). So when you say Catholic complete the total name for clarity’s sake (ROMAN) as in at the point of a sword. Thank God for the USA where we have rights. Praise Jesus our Savior!
Now that family was considered wealthy via sweat and toil. They also came from many places including the Piedmont region… and grandma’s mother hid that her side were Waloons … and persecuted by the Catholics. I tell you this story because most of those people were crushed by the RCC because they did not submit to the RCC. Quite a display of Christian love! When I heard that story, I understood Uncle Pat’s seemingly unconcern at being excommunicated. Why he even had the local paper take out adds announcing community leaders joining the Masons and his name was on the list(with a photo). So when you say Catholic complete the total name for clarity’s sake (ROMAN) as in at the point of a sword. Thank God for the USA where we have rights. Praise Jesus our Savior!
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Not thru inter sessions of Mary we do not!
Again, pure heresy!
Prayer is not worship, it is petition.
Worship is making sacrifice to something.
God prohibited making sacrifice to idols, this constituted worship.
There are two separate things that happen in 1 Chronicles 16.
David makes sacrifice to The Lord, which is actual Worship.
“They brought the Ark of God and set it inside the tent that David had pitched for it, and they presented burnt offerings and fellowship offerings[1] before God.
After David had finished sacrificing the burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the LORD.
Then he gave a loaf of bread, a cake of dates and a cake of raisins to each Israelite man and woman.”
Then after Worship the general petitions are offered.
“He appointed some of the Levites to minister before the Ark of the LORD, to make petition, to give thanks, and to praise the LORD, the God of Israel”
Scripture does not prohibit prayers of petition to someone. It prohibits worship of anything other than God, which is making sacrifice to anything other than God.
Two separate things.
Watch though, your going to see an uptick of these RCC’s pandering to foreigners coming into our open boarders…. Check out NYC’s issues! They are now moving these freeloaders to Randals Island in order to house them all. In my town, Catholic Charities is shipping them in and buying homes to house them in. And they are utterly lawless. An illegal just ran down and killed a college presidents wife (a Army Colonel Retired) and her dog. Biden has allot to answer for!
Cathode, I have worked with a number of indigenous tribes in the US. They pray to their dead ancestors and give homage and worship to them in hopes that their ancestors will direct their path on earth. They bind themselves to the traditions of their people's and try to infuse the Christian views into their ancestral worship by adding the so called saints of the Roman Catholic Church to their shrine of ancestors.
Cathode, the RCC has blended animism into its teachings and it is entirely godless as it turns Christianity into a pantheistic or polytheistic religion that is void of Christ Jesus as the only one by which a person has a mediator with God.
"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time."
- 1 Timothy 2:5-6
You cannot justify praying to the dead in the Bible. Look at King Saul going to a necromancer to talk with Samuel. God hated it.
They don’t read those particular scriptures at Sunday mass.
Ever hear of something called a rosary?
No, what God hated was summoning the dead, that’s necromancy.
God hated people sacrificing to idols, that is worship.
We don’t pray to the dead, we pray to the Living in Heaven, they aren’t dead. And they can pray for us.
There is only one mediator between God and men for salvation, this doesn’t mean we can not pray for others as subordinate mediators.
Look at the scripture.
“Pray at all times (on every occasion, in every season) in the Spirit, with all [manner of] prayer and entreaty. To that end keep alert and watch with strong purpose and perseverance, interceding in behalf of all the saints (God's consecrated people).”
They don’t read those particular scriptures at Sunday mass.
Yes we do, even at daily mass. The difference is, we understand them according to the ancient Apostolic meaning.
Sure.
So do you pray to Paul, Moses, Adam, Ruth, John the Baptist, ectn*.....
No. This is a misrepresentation of those writings.
For example, Ignatius did NOT teach that the bread and wine became or was made flesh and blood, but that they are flesh and blood in the context of arguing against Gnostic sects.
He held a high view of the Super, claiming that the elements were representative of "sacramentally" (rather than literally) Christ's body and blood.
"announcing consistently the fellowship and union of the flesh and the Spirit. For as the bread, which is produced from the earth, when it receives the invocation of God, is no longer common bread, but the Eucharist, consisting of two realities, earthly and heavenly; so also our bodies, when they receive the Eucharist, are no longer corruptible, having the hope of the resurrection to eternity" (4.18.5)
The Catholic view of the Eucharist is not the view of the Early Church. It is instead the view of the Roman mystery cults. It is pagan.
Ignatius did teach that Eucharist was the flesh and blood of Christ, the sacramental is literal, not just symbolic.
Which still makes my point.
The fact that the Fathers pre Constantine maintain the same scriptural and Apostolic view of the Eucharist as Christ’s Body and Blood, means your argument calling the Eucharist pagan is wrong.
I don't care about the RCC but scripture tell exactly when the church was founded... Brother Glen
Acts 11: 25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:
26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
This is the militant church on earth, displaying the doctrines of Christ, not the triumphant church all God's redeemed children belong to!
Acts 11: 25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:
26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
This is the militant church on earth, displaying the doctrines of Christ, not the triumphant church all God's redeemed children belong to!
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