Where do babies go when they die?

[psalms109:31]

Guarentee

I cannot guarentee anyone salvation not even infant except those who trust in Jesus the only guarentee found in scripture. I can't give anyone a false hope.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

...on the flip side, how can we possibly sin as believers if we are "dead to sin"?

No, I said Dead in sin....a subtle difference. Yes Im there but sin continues to draw me to it & I cannot help myself but sin...I am captive to it.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

In Genesis 18:25 it says " shall not the Judge of all the Earth do right?

could one not conclude then that all children who die in infancy are counted among the elect? I chalk that up to the Just Nature of God

 

[psalms109:31]

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Originally Posted by psalms109:31
What if God could look down the path of that infant even though he or she did die an infant as if he or she didn't?

To me the greatest fear from must peoples theory, if someone had no concern for themselves and wanted to save their baby from eternal hell, what would be the easy way to do it?

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[Bobby Hamilton]

If I'm not mistaken our fellow BB member Pinoybaptist believes that one can be elect & regenerated years before they are saved, or rather understand that they have been saved all along.

How can one not know they are saved?

 

[Tom Butler]

Here's an excerpt from an article written jointly by Dr. Albert Mohler, President of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, and Dr. Daniel Akin, President of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. Dr. Mohler is a Calvinist, Dr. Akin is not.

[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=arial,helvetica] After the children of Israel rebelled against God in the wilderness, God sentenced that generation to die in the wilderness after forty years of wandering. "Not one of these men, this evil generation, shall see the good land which I swore to give your fathers."(4) But this was not all. God specifically exempted young children and infants from this sentence, and even explained why He did so: "Moreover, your little ones who you said would become prey, and your sons, who this day have no knowledge of good and evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it."(5) The key issue here is that God specifically exempted from the judgment those who "have no knowledge of good or evil" because of their age. These "little ones" would inherit the Promised Land, and would not be judged on the basis of their fathers� sins.

We believe that this passage bears directly on the issue of infant salvation, and that the accomplished work of Christ has removed the stain of original sin from those who die in infancy. Knowing neither good nor evil, these young children are incapable of committing sins in the body � are not yet moral agents � and die secure in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.[/FONT][/FONT]

The full article is at http://www.covenantnews.com/mohler050117.htm

 

[psalms109:31]

God

So God can't hate one infant and love another before they did any right or wrong?

 

[annsni]

So God can't hate one infant and love another before they did any right or wrong?

Kind of reminds me of a verse......

 

[RAdam]

Revelation 20

"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lack of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

It seems pretty clear that those that are cast into eternal punishment are those who were not found written in the book of life, but were rather judged from the other books according to their works. While all are sinners by nature and are thus under condemnation and deserve hell, it seems quite clear that those that end up there are going to be sent there based on their works. In other words, they've proved through action that they are lost, hellbound sinners. God will have an overabundance of evidence that the wicked deserve hell. This is why I believe those that die in infancy, before they can practice sin themselves, are elect children of God and end up heaven.

Now the problem is the age of accountability nonsense. Noone gets to heaven because of a lack of accountability. Every single person that gets to heaven gets there one way - by the death of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the way, period. I believe the infant that is aborted gets to heaven, but that infant gets there because Jesus died for him/her.

For proof of all of this, consider what Jesus told the goats in Matthew 25. He told them about their wicked works, did he not?

 

[percho]

So God can't hate one infant and love another before they did any right or wrong?

Bait. Let's go fishing.:smilewinkgrin: You must be speaking of J and E?

Being babies are born of the flesh would they not need to be born again in order to go to heaven when they die?

Also is dying and going to heaven the same as being born into the kingdom of God?

Maybe the better question does the word of God teach dying and going to heaven or being born into the kingdom of God? Where in a red letter bible can you find Jesus talking about dying and going to heaven? I believe the root of his teaching was the kingdom of God/heaven in Matthew.

 

[RAdam]

To the poster who said you can't be justified until you place faith in Christ, here's what Paul said:

"What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us."

The ground of justification is the death of Christ, not your excercise of faith. Paul didn't say, "we have placed faith in Christ." Instead he said, "it is Christ that died..." And who did He die for? Us, the us God is for and noone can be against, the us noone can condemn, the us who Christ makes intercession for, God's elect, the us whom He foreknew, predestinated, called, justified, and glorified.

 

[webdog]

To the poster who said you can't be justified until you place faith in Christ, here's what Paul said:

"What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us."

The ground of justification is the death of Christ, not your excercise of faith. Paul didn't say, "we have placed faith in Christ." Instead he said, "it is Christ that died..." And who did He die for? Us, the us God is for and noone can be against, the us noone can condemn, the us who Christ makes intercession for, God's elect, the us whom He foreknew, predestinated, called, justified, and glorified.

You must have missed where Paul said in Romans 5...
Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

and this one...

and "for we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law,"

 

[webdog]

I know God is just and does not show favoritism. That all will stand before the judgement seat, not to be told if we are elect or not, but have we trusted in Jesus or not. I don't know what will happen to be babies, but they will stand before the judgement seat and it will be a just judgement with no favoritism. Their is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. What I do believe is far fetched I guess, because no one responded to it, and maybe it is just an emotional response.

How is it possible for a baby to trust in Christ?

 

[Luke2427]

Yes Amy, there are a few who have said this. And I have posted quotes from noted Calvinists that say an infant can be regenerated and yet not trust Christ for many years later.

Being an infant does not matter. An adult cannot be spiritually alive and yet be dead in trespasses and sins at the same moment. You cannot be forgiven of your sins until you trust Christ. You cannot be regenerated or made spiritually alive until all your sins are forgiven, it is your sins that makes you dead. Therefore, faith must precede rengeneration. And this is what the scriptures show.

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Calvinism falsely teaches that you must have life (be regenerated) in order to have the ability to believe, but the scriptures show the exact opposite, that you must believe to have life.

EVERYONE is regenerated before they trust Christ- not just babies. YOU were regenerated before you trusted Christ. A dead man cannot trust Christ. In the natural state there is none that seeketh after God, none that understandeth. You must be made alive to believe.

The verse that you quote above is not a doctrinal statement on the chronology of the events of salvation. It simply means that faith is the proof of spiritual life.

If one is ever made alive he will believe. Believing indicates that he has life.

 

[psalms109:31]

God

I am throwing something out there that I thought about. Since God know everything I will do before I do it
Can not God see what I will do if I died as an infant as if I never died? God knows I will have faith in His Son or not can He also see it from an infant that dies as if he didn't?

 

[Bobby Hamilton]

I am throwing something out there that I thought about. Since God know everything I will do before I do it
Can not God see what I will do if I died as an infant as if I never died? God knows I will have faith in His Son or not can He also see it from an infant that dies as if he didn't?

God in his omnicient power can do anything. But if the baby died, there was no future. From the beginning the baby was going to die. So for God to think "okay, let's pretend that baby lived and...." wouldn't make much sense because that's not what happened. What is...is.

 

[Dr. Bob]

I'm noticing (1) that we are at 10-pages and will start a new "continuation" thread so these important truths might be discussed; and (2) that if one demands man act "xyz" in order to be saved and obviously a baby, mentally handicapped, etc, cannot act "xyz", then the conclusion must be that they are all damned OR that God saves them by grace and not them doing "xyz".

A great dilema for the non-sovereignty bunch that tout man's works so much, eh?

 

[jbh28]

beat you to it!!!

 

[Luke2427]

I'm noticing (1) that we are at 10-pages and will start a new "continuation" thread so these important truths might be discussed; and (2) that if one demands man act "xyz" in order to be saved and obviously a baby, mentally handicapped, etc, cannot act "xyz", then the conclusion must be that they are all damned OR that God saves them by grace and not them doing "xyz".

A great dilema for the non-sovereignty bunch that tout man's works so much, eh?

Very good point.

How do these babies go to heaven without the ability to believe?

If they are born without sin what really is the point of the virgin birth of Christ?

David said, "In sin did my mother conceive me..."

How do sinful babies go to heaven who cannot trust Christ for salvation?

God must do it all himself. What a novel idea!