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Where Does Faith Come From II

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Revmitchell, Jul 2, 2019.

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    Are you not the basing human ability upon corruption, for you admitted there is no ability that escaped the corruption of sin?

    Does human faith generate from the sin filled will?

    If it is not the sin filled will, or sin filled strength, or sin filled station (status), then describe from what and in what manner is the corrupt derived that it may acquire incorruptibility.
     
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    Gift from/of the Holy Spirit towards those who God intended to be saved by the Cross of Christ!
     
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    You do know that every one of those verses stand against your thinking that human generated faith reaches out and takes the gift offered.

    The verses describe how God brings faith, how His authority alone instigates and how He without any help from humankind does the work of salvation.

    Yet, do you persist in clinging that human faith must first respond before salvation is granted?

    Why not take from the Scriptures you offered and recognize it is God’s authority to, as John wrote, make certain ones He chooses the adopted children?

    As I stated earlier, faith and salvation are inseparable. God grants the faith and with that faith is salvation.

    I recall often hearing people say, “If I just had enough faith...”.

    In what you presented in previous posts, that may well be the case. God would seemingly need to determine the quality and quantity in order to realize salvation was allowed to be granted. Thus the human earns salvation by the merits of their self generated volition.

    This matter of both quantity and quality of faith is God’s business, to measure out to every believer.

    The believer’s response is to “work out, exercise, build upon that faith (Peter, “add to your faith...”).

    Our Lord said, “those that believe ... have eternal life...”. A done accomplished deal. “Have”.

    Salvation is not gotten once someone generates enough faith to reach out and grasp it. It is already given as inseparable in faith God grants to those of His choosing.
     
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    I reject your characterization "human generated faith" sooooooo......you are just wrong.

    You and I Have been though this. We disagree on what is legitimately called help from man. My responding to the gospel is not help. it is an absurd claim. No where is the receiving of a gift also considered part of the giving.

    No, I reject your characterization "human faith". However, man is enabled to respond due to the gospel that only comes from God.

    The verses I provide says no such thing. What they do say is that God sends the gospel to everyone and each and every person can respond to the enabling of God through the gospel.

    Faith (belief) is man's response to the gospel. Salvation is what God provides after man comes to Him. Salvation is the freeing of man from the penalty of sin. Those two are not the same.

    OK?

    Man cannot earn it as man cannot provide propitiation, cannot devise the plan, cannot meet the standard of holiness, cannot offer salvation to anyone including himself. Man's response to God's offer of salvation is not in fact meritorious.




    So you claim without substantiation.
     
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