Ascetic X
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No, you give us irrelevant scriptures that go off on tangents. The question is “where is heaven?”
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Where is heaven?
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Well, maybe it's me, I'm used to someone quoting Scripture and then explaining it according to the topic.
That way I can respond understanding the other view.
easternstar
Active Member
Exactly! He constantly goes off on tangents that have NOTHING to do with the OP with accusations that some of us our demonic or unsaved. Not sure why the moderator's tolerate his venomous fangs on the BB. Maybe they hope he will eventually repent. HE is the one who needs to 'be prepared or get ready'!!!
It's not just you, Charlie. Why the moderator's allow Oceas3 to continue to cut & paste Bible verses that usually have no relevance to the OP and then tell us all to 'Be prepared or get ready' I have no idea. If challenged he comes back with 'what matters is the word of God'.
Well, yes it certainly matters. But, even on his own website he has a grand membership of a little more than 20 people worldwide. So we aren't the only people to find him irrelevant.
I don't ever remember having any conversation with that particular member.
That's difficult when you have no idea what he's talking about, or what the Scripture posted is supposed to mean.
Where's heaven? Heaven is "up."
He's looking for latitude, longitude and altitude.
We're getting attitude.
Personally I don't think the first thing I'll get when I die is a map with directions to heaven.
Heaven is where God dwells... believers will dwell with him.
It's where you store your treasures that last (Matt 6:19-20).
I do not believe heaven lies hidden within our physical universe.
Like Psalty, I believe heaven is dimensionally hidden outside our perspective - "God is Spirit" and heaven is a special dwelling place amid the spirit world.
Importantly, the location of the future new heaven and earth differs from God’s current dwelling place—the new creation may occupy the same space as the present creation, though transformed, and the redeemed will ultimately dwell with God there.
Rob
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No, I don't think we will have any problems finding heaven.
When Christ spoke of the rich man and Lazarus, He said Lazarus died and was carried by the angles to Paradise.
I believe all of us will have a royal escort into the arms of Christ.
Scripture might provide the answer. We know that it is not the first heaven, our atmosphere, where clouds drift and birds fly. Ditto for the second heaven, where the moon, sun and stars are located.
Therefore when Jesus said no one had ascended to heaven, He was referring to the third heaven, the abode of God, where His throne and the tree of life are located. The third heaven is also called Paradise.
One confusing aspect of the concept of the "heavenly" is the claim that Elijah was taken to "heaven" in a whirlwind. 2 Kings 2:11. At a minimum, all this says is he was conveyed into the first heaven, the atmosphere, where whirlwinds exist. Scripture does not tell us what became of his physical body, but scripture does indicate Elijah was then spiritually taken to Abraham's bosom.
We have two concepts for the abode of God, wherever He resides, such as indwelling born anew believers is His abode, thus the kingdom of God is within them. And we, being within Christ, are somehow located where He is, sitting on the throne in the third heaven. See Ephesians 1:3 and 1:20.
Bottom line, the third heaven is a spiritual place, and is NOT located in our physical universe.
easternstar
Active Member
Some excellent posts here. I've enjoyed reading them, so thanks!
The Word of GOD is irrelevant for you and he which believed in you, NOT for me. I work with the Word o GOD, I do not know word more powerful than the Word of GOD, understand?
Matthew 25:29 -> 29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
My Lord JESUS said: Matthew 5:5 -> 5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
My Lord JESUS said:-> Revelation 5:10 - And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
My Lord JESUS said: Luke 20:35-36-> 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world->(Revelation 11:15-18, take a look), and the resurrection from the dead->(1Thessalonians 4:15-16), neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
And the 1st and 2nd heavens (including the earth-the rebel Israel->the dry land or the clay-Isaiah 64:8 combined with Genesis 1:9) they will be burned with everlasting fire->(2Peter 3:7 combined with Hebrews 8:13), and the 3rd heaven, 3rd heavenly place in Christ->(Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on), will be established from now on->Revelation 11:15-18 and 2Corinthians 12:2-4, take a look.
Has eternal punishment begun? Will be?
In fact it is LITERALLY already running.It's very hard to understand and to say, but the Truth is that we have entered in the period of sorrows, a time of great sufferings until the END of this current world, and of the coming of JESUS. There shall be upon the earth distress of nations, and men's hearts failing them for fear looking those things which are coming on the earth. - Luke 21:25-28.
Be sure that the ETERNAL punishment had a specific and pre-determined time to start, I MUST tell it has already started, the question is that it will NEVER END, it will NEVER STOP, it will be for ever ande ever. Get ready.
Has eternal punishment begun? Will be?
New York together other States of America all are being chastised severely, strongly, and also Japan and Europe as a whole, actually all the nations, all the world of Devil, with all kind of structures they all have, yeah, all the nations, are sufferring and will suffer catastrofic and...
purebibleforum.com
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Not sure of the purpose of this post.
The created earth is part of our physical universe, but is separate from the heavens. God created the heavens (1st and 2d heaven) and the earth.
The second part of the post seems to have nothing to do with the topic.
Ascetic X
Active Member
You “work with the Word of God” in a way that does not help anyone, for your scripture quotes are often not relevant to the specific discussion. Plus you are prideful and arrogant about it.
Brother I'm not trying to tell you what to do, just making a suggestion.
It's hard to find any relevancy in your post to the topic. We can't understand it, or at least I can't.
I you try to stick to Scripture more relevant and explain how you understand it, things would be much easier for all of us.
He goes off on rants after posting many, many verses not relevant to the OP. He the always suggests that if you don't agree with him you better 'be prepared and get ready' for Hell. The moderator's have allowed this but I think most of us ignore him.
Ascetic X
Active Member
This link goes to a forum topic “Has eternal punishment begun? Will be?”, started by Oseas3 and contains 18 lengthy posts filled with scripture quotes. Not a single comment posted by anyone else.
He has an agenda and it never relates to the OP.