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Where is the Gospel that Saves One's Soul Found?
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John 1.
Must have meant John Chapter 3
Someone explain to me how 1st chapter of John is any less 'potent' than the 3rd chapter of John.
I guess John 3 actually says you must be born again.
John 1 doesn't say that. Just minor insignificant things about salvation like:
>In Him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
>But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
>Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
>We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
>And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Move on quickly to John 3. Nothing to see here. No message about the Lamb, the Messiah, our soul's salvation.
It's literally 'born from above', as in 'born of God' John 1:13, 'born of the Spirit' John 3:8, 'born from Jerusalem above' Gal 4:26. 'begotten of God' 1 John 3:9; 4:7; 5:1,4,18
There is no command or invite to 'get yourself born from above' in John 3 or anywhere else. "The Spirit where He willeth doth blow". Man is totally passive in the birth from above:
| who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:13 |
Wrong. I just showed you.
Lol, perhaps you missed this minor insignificant thing?:
| 14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth. Jn 1 |
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
| 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am. Jn 8 |
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@Dr. Bob:
"Ah, brother, do you not grasp sarcasm?? That is why I proved the point that was being attacked."
I actually suspected that you might have posted 'tongue-in-cheek', but my response was more for the benefit of others who don't know better than for you.
Please forgive me if I offended. No disrespect intended, sincerely.
"Ah, brother, do you not grasp sarcasm?? That is why I proved the point that was being attacked."
I actually suspected that you might have posted 'tongue-in-cheek', but my response was more for the benefit of others who don't know better than for you.
Please forgive me if I offended. No disrespect intended, sincerely.
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Hmm.
. . . as in John 3:3, . . . cannot see the kingdom of God.
As found in Matthew, Mark and Luke.
As in Matthew 18:3, . . . shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
As in Mark 10:15, . . . shall not enter therein.
As in Luke 18:17, . . . shall in no wise enter therein.
So the question in John 3:4 is asked, . . . How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
John 3:6, . . . That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7, . . . must be born again.
. . . as in John 3:3, . . . cannot see the kingdom of God.
As found in Matthew, Mark and Luke.
As in Matthew 18:3, . . . shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
As in Mark 10:15, . . . shall not enter therein.
As in Luke 18:17, . . . shall in no wise enter therein.
So the question in John 3:4 is asked, . . . How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
John 3:6, . . . That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7, . . . must be born again.
As usual, I've no idea what your point is. All I know about you is that you're adamantly opposed to Sovereign Grace, and that somehow in your mind you believe these passages refute it.