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Like I said, this was a difference between the Pharisees and the Sadducees.

One started at the beginning of Nisan 14 (13/14) and the other at the end of Nisan 14 (14/15).

There is no point in deciding which we think better follows Exodus 12.

The one group also killed the Passover without priests (something the Sadduccees complained about).


Mark was stating what had occurred. He didn't argue over whi h one was more proper, or simply quote Exodus.


If Tom says such and such happened at the time of a school shooting this has nothing to do with whether school shootings should occur.


The point is we know the Passover was killed "between the evenings" starting and ending Nisan 14 by seperate Jewish sects in the 1st century AD.

 

Here is a calculated calendar (it assumes the calculated calender matches the observation calendar) time frame that fits the timeline of all gospels and historical facts:

Thursday afternoon - Jesus traveling to Jerusalem.

Thursday afternoon - Passover is killed (Galilean)

Thursday when evening came - Last Supper

Thursday night - arrest

Friday morning- Trial

Friday afternoon - Crucifixion

Saturday - Pasdover and "high day"

Saturday very late or Sunday very early- Resurrection on 3rd day.

Sunday morning before light - tomb found empty.

If the calculated Calender is correct (an assumption) then the date that fits the Biblical narrative is 3 April 33 AD

 

As a date?

It depends on how you count days.

One set of Jews killed the Passover in the late afternoon at the start of Nisan 14.

BUT another set of Jews thought that was not the proper time and sacrificed the animal in the afternoon at the end of Nisan 14.

So one sect viewed Jews as killing the Passover a day early and the other sect as their political rivals sacrificing a day late.


If I were to decide then I'd kill the Passover at the end of Nisan 14 and have the meal on Nisan 15.


But it does not matter how we would do it, or who was right or wrong.


We know that is what occurred. One viewed a 13/14 Nisan Passover (counting that twilight as Nisan 14) and the other a 14/15 Passover.

One had to be wrong.....I think the Pharisees as they took a liberal position.....but it doesn't matter.


Either way Mark would have observed the killing of the Passover in the twilight (late afternoon) before the night of Nisan 14.

 

Yes. That is how I would work out the "proper" Jewish day as well.

But as I'm sure you know, the Sadducees and Pharisees held different views about this. Some sects even maintained the date starting with sunrise.

It is easier now that these sects do not exist. But in the 1st century AD there were Sadducees, Essenes, Pharisees, and Scribes. And yes, I know these sects did not exist in the time of the Exodus. Neither did their divisions.

One sect held that the Passover was to be killed on the evening (twilight) at the start of Nisan 14 while the other sect viewed that is improper and sacrificed the Passover at the end of Nisan 14.

You do see how their times were different dont you?

Mark would have seen the Pasdover being killed in the evening before 14 Nisan which would our (Julian Calendar) day before the Temple sacrifice.


I do not care which sect had the proper timing. It does not matter.

The readon it does not matter is it has absolutely no bearing on what Mark woukd have seen.

Thursday at twilight he would have seen the Jews killing the sacrifice. And Friday around 3pm he would be aware of the Pasdover being sacrificed in Jerusalem.

This is true regardless of which practice, the Pharisees or the Sadducees, were right. It does not change what Mark would have seen and known.

 

Point is not which Jews were right (twilight at beginning or end of day).

Point is that, while one has to be wrong, both were practiced.

The Passover was killed on twilight before tge night at the start of Nisan 14 AND the Pasdover was sacrificed around 3pm on the afternoon of 14 Nisan.

We cannot ignore 1st century Jewish history when examining the crucifixion week.

 

The issue is not our understanding but what was practiced in the 1st century.

You had one group starting the day at twilight and another when it was dark.

One group was more liberal in interpretation.

But we do the sane thing.

Have you ever seen a sunset? Per your legalistic definition...no because sunset is dark. But most of us have seen a sunset.


It does not matter which practice you and I believe proper. The fact is both were practiced. Mark would have had the tradition of the earlier observance. Jesus would have as well (based on His culture).

 

No. I do believe that in the OT they observed one time. So there is a "right" time.

According to God's Word Jesus did not kill the Passover. He was traveling, outside of Jerusalem when the killing of the Passover was noted by His disciples who asked where He would take that meal.

Jesus IS the Passover.

There are no records of Jesus demanding His family and friends change the time of their observance.

Both are on Nisan 14, depending on how you interpret the passages.

One sect killed the Passover at twilight introducing Nisan 14 do as to eat the meal on the night of Nisan 14.

One sect killed the Passover on the afternoon ending Nisan 14 so as to eat the meal on Nisan 15.

 

I think the 14/15 is correct.

But we know both were observed. Those who practiced a 14 only (twilight at the beginning of the 14) also observed the Temple practice.

Point is the Passover killing Mark would have observed would be the first, and the second what John wrote of in explaining why in Jerusalem haste was necessary. Otherwise you have to choose which Gospel is correct rather than trusting both are.

 

Here is what we know:

Mark said that Jesus was traveling to Jerusalem when the Passover was being killed.

John said that Jesus was crucified the day before the Passover.

If you reject historical accounts and divisions among Jewish sects (one killing the Passover at twilight starting Nisan 14 and the other at its end) then you need to choose whether John or Mark were wrong.

Passover could not have been the day of the crucifixion AND the day after the crucifixion if there was only one.


The main issue is we know about these practices.

The flaw in your argument is that Jesus IS the Passover Lamb (and the fact it ignores historical practices).

 

I already listed them (there are 3 from Jesus' time and one just after the destruction of the Temple). I don't recall off hand, but look at our recent posts of the topic.

They are in argument form with the exception of the last.

 

No. That is literally what John wrote. A day being Passover is never used to describe a day in the feast.

"Passover" is used to describe the feast, but never a day excluding Nisan 15.