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Where's the outrage?

Don

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Michael Brown must have qualified, then, considering the effect of his actions in regard to that tobacco shop owner and the cop who shot him.
EXACTLY.

Dylan Roof is a domestic terrorist.
Osama was an international terrorist.
Hamas and the IRA are terrorist organizations.

The shooter(s) in the Detroit situation identified in the opening post? Not terrorists. Criminals, plain and simple.

But CTB's response to the opening post indicates anyone carrying a gun is a terrorist, or potential terrorist.

The improper use of terminology on this board lately has been quite disturbing.
 

Crabtownboy

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EXACTLY.

Dylan Roof is a domestic terrorist.
Osama was an international terrorist.
Hamas and the IRA are terrorist organizations.

The shooter(s) in the Detroit situation identified in the opening post? Not terrorists. Criminals, plain and simple.

But CTB's response to the opening post indicates anyone carrying a gun is a terrorist, or potential terrorist.

The improper use of terminology on this board lately has been quite disturbing.

Yes, your lack of understanding is disturbing.

U.S. Code of Federal Regulations[edit]
The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives" (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

U.S. Department of Defense[edit]
The U.S. Department of Defense recently changed its definition of terrorism. Per Joint Pub 3-07.2, Antiterrorism, (24 November 2010), the Department of Defense defines it as "the unlawful use of violence or threat of violence to instill fear and coerce governments or societies. Terrorism is often motivated by religious, political, or other ideological beliefs and committed in the pursuit of goals that are usually political."

The next one fits lots of far right wing groups.

U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency[edit]
The U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) contains a definition of terrorism, which reads:
Terrorism is the use of force or violence against persons or property in violation of the criminal laws of the United States for purposes of intimidation, coercion, or ransom. Terrorists often use threats to:
Create fear among the public.
Try to convince citizens that their government is powerless to prevent terrorism.
Get immediate publicity for their causes.

USA PATRIOT Act of 2001[edit]
The USA PATRIOT Act of 2001 defines domestic terrorism as "activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state; (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S."
 

matt wade

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The same level of attention was given to those as if it was a black on white crime.

Unless you are a hypocrite you should give the same attention and outrage to this shooting in Detroit as you do to the shooting in Charleston. Or do black lives matter less when the perp is another black?
Crickets...
 

Don

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Yes, your lack of understanding is disturbing.





The next one fits lots of far right wing groups.



So who were the terrorists at the block party in Detroit? What political or social agenda were they supporting?
 

InTheLight

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No.
a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.


The use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal; the systematic use of*terror*especially as a means of coercion.

I agree with this. I would say the guy that had an armored van and shot up the Dallas Police HQ was a terrorist. Dylann Wolf wasn't.
 

Don

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I agree with this. I would say the guy that had an armored van and shot up the Dallas Police HQ was a terrorist. Dylann Wolf wasn't.
Actually, because of his manifesto and stated beliefs, he falls into the category of domestic terrorist. He murdered for a social equality statement.

In my personal-be-it-ever-so-humble opinion, of course.
 

Don

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If you had been there would you have been terrified? Be honest now.
Would you be terrified if your car was about to crash? Does that make your car a terrorist?

The reaction of the victim doesn't cause the definition of "terrorist"; the motivation of the perpetrator does.

I believe you're thinking of "terrified" and "terrifying," not "terrorism." I also think you're too proud to admit this.
 

matt wade

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The same level of attention was given to those as if it was a black on white crime.

Unless you are a hypocrite you should give the same attention and outrage to this shooting in Detroit as you do to the shooting in Charleston. Or do black lives matter less when the perp is another black?

Zaac...do black lives matter less when the shooter is another black? Where is your outage against this situation in Detroit?
 

InTheLight

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Actually, because of his manifesto and stated beliefs, he falls into the category of domestic terrorist. He murdered for a social equality statement.

In my personal-be-it-ever-so-humble opinion, of course.

He's a murderer that killed out of hate,. He belongs to no organization, political or terroristic. He made no demands. He simply wants to kill black people.
 

Don

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He's a murderer that killed out of hate,. He belongs to no organization, political or terroristic. He made no demands. He simply wants to kill black people.
Hmmm....

He killed for a socially-related agenda; but you're correct, not connected with any organization....

Loosely, he fits within the label of domestic terrorist. I disagree with the "hate crime" category on general principle, but this one comes with an admission....I could meet you at "mass murderer"....
 

Eric B

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People have gotten hung up on the label "terrorist". The issue here is this whole comparing of who black people get killed by. There isn't the same outrage over the black-on-black killings as this latest incident, or the cop killings because these urban killings people like to throw up are either random (whether just an everyday robbing or whatever), or drug deals and other disputes gone bad. It's not one person trying to exterminate [or at least terrorize] another race (which would include the killer himself, of course).
The people are aware of the urban crime problem. Most of them grew up with it, and some still live with it. So there are people addressing it! [below]

(The next thing will likely be to put it on Sharpton and Jackson. Why aren't they out there more, like they are for white-on-black incidents? But who are they? Just media figures, basically! It's not even like most blacks "follow" them; they're just "there", from rising to fame in the past. You all yourselves [as conservatives] are the ones have said it countless times; they're just trying to stay "relevent". So why would you keep using them to scold "the black community" for "not addressing black problems"?)
Again, it's like people are addressing a single individual, rather than millions of individuals.

This whole issue is like a child saying "what about him?!" "So what someone killed your loved one because of your race; you all kill each other!" So a whole people are supposed to accept 'open season' on them because of what others in "the community" do?

Imagine, a person gets robbed by one of these "urban criminals" everyone talks about, and then walks onto the next block, and gets shot by a cop or by this kid, and you come along and tell him "That's GOOD for you, because of that criminal back on the other block you just got robbed by. You should have commanded him to reform himself, but since you didn't you're complicit in his crime, and deserve the same consequences he does"!
THAT is what you are essentially reasoning!

And let's not forget people similarly still throwing up black-on-white crime. Every "conservative news" site story on this I'm now seeing, is followed by commenters saying lynching should be brought back, with pictures of nooses, even! But of course, they're the victims of the true "racists", the "race hustlers" playing "the race card" on them; right?

In any case, here are a couple of articles addressing this "black on black crime" issue:

http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/2014/12/stages-injustice-against-black-people.html said:
94% of murders that Black people are victims of are committed by other Black people. 83% of murders that white people are victims of is committed by other white people. WHY? Because we interact with people who are in our racial groups most often. People victimize other people who look like them.

Also, ANY Black crime is HANDLED by the system. In fact, it’s OVERHANDLED. Our prisons are full of Black men and women who are in there for things as small as stealing candy bars. FULL. So please shut the entire hell up about this since even if it was a problem, it’s already being addressed. The system doesn’t like Black folks getting away with ANYTHING. So you ain’t gotta worry about that.
Meanwhile, white people can cuss out a cop, wave a gun in their face, assault them but walkaway with probation.
[note: rest of article has some strong language]


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/12/black_community_is_concerned_with_black_on_black_crime_suggesting_otherwise.html said:
And in short, it’s easy to find examples of marches and demonstrations against crime. In the last four years, blacks have held community protests against violence in Chicago; New York; Newark, New Jersey; Pittsburgh; Saginaw, Michigan; and Gary, Indiana. [http://www.theatlantic.com/national...people-protest-black-on-black-violence/255329 ] Indeed, there’s a whole catalog of movies, albums, and sermons from a generation of directors, musicians, and religious leaders, each urging peace and order. You may not have noticed black protests against crime and violence, but that doesn’t mean they haven’t happened. Black Americans—like everyone else—are concerned with what happens in their communities, and at a certain point, pundits who insist otherwise are either lying or willfully ignorant.

To that point, it’s worth noting the extent to which “what about black-on-black crime” is an evasion, an attempt to avoid the fundamental difference between being killed by a citizen and being killed by an agent of law.

Regardless of cause or concern, a community doesn’t forfeit fair treatment because it has crime. That was true then when the scourge was lynching, and it’s true now that the scourge is unjust police violence. Say what you will about “black-on-black crime,” just don’t pretend it has anything to do with unfair killings at the hands of the state.
[Or now, in this case, a lone vigilante, or whatever you want to call him].
 

Zaac

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Were those black guys who pulled Reginald Denny from his truck in Los Angeles in '93(?) and slammed a brick into his head terrorists?

Yep.:thumbsup: I put them right in the category with the terrorist cops who are murdering unarmed black people.
 

Zaac

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People have gotten hung up on the label "terrorist". The issue here is this whole comparing of who black people get killed by. There isn't the same outrage over the black-on-black killings as this latest incident, or the cop killings because these urban killings people like to throw up are either random (whether just an everyday robbing or whatever), or drug deals and other disputes gone bad. It's not one person trying to exterminate [or at least terrorize] another race (which would include the killer himself, of course).
The people are aware of the urban crime problem. Most of them grew up with it, and some still live with it. So there are people addressing it! [below]

(The next thing will likely be to put it on Sharpton and Jackson. Why aren't they out there more, like they are for white-on-black incidents? But who are they? Just media figures, basically! It's not even like most blacks "follow" them; they're just "there", from rising to fame in the past. You all yourselves [as conservatives] are the ones have said it countless times; they're just trying to stay "relevent". So why would you keep using them to scold "the black community" for "not addressing black problems"?)
Again, it's like people are addressing a single individual, rather than millions of individuals.

This whole issue is like a child saying "what about him?!" "So what someone killed your loved one because of your race; you all kill each other!" So a whole people are supposed to accept 'open season' on them because of what others in "the community" do?

Imagine, a person gets robbed by one of these "urban criminals" everyone talks about, and then walks onto the next block, and gets shot by a cop or by this kid, and you come along and tell him "That's GOOD for you, because of that criminal back on the other block you just got robbed by. You should have commanded him to reform himself, but since you didn't you're complicit in his crime, and deserve the same consequences he does"!
THAT is what you are essentially reasoning!

And let's not forget people similarly still throwing up black-on-white crime. Every "conservative news" site story on this I'm now seeing, is followed by commenters saying lynching should be brought back, with pictures of nooses, even! But of course, they're the victims of the true "racists", the "race hustlers" playing "the race card" on them; right?

In any case, here are a couple of articles addressing this "black on black crime" issue:





[Or now, in this case, a lone vigilante, or whatever you want to call him].

:applause::applause:
 
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