Which is the Jewish Sabbath - Saturday or Lunar?

Originally posted by BobRyan:
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So are you willing to show where your view allows Christ's statement in Mark 2:27 "to be true"??

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Boanerges
Bob,

Is your smugness a by-product of your denial?
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Bob responds --

As substantive as that reply was to my question about Mark 2:27... Do you yet have an answer for how your view allows Christ's words to be true when "HE" Said that the Sabbath was "MADE" for Mankind?

Or are you still bent on dodging the question?

In Christ,

Bob
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"Again" you flee from the words of Christ in Mark 2:27!!???

Notice that this thread is "about the Sabbath".

Notice that HIS words in Mark 2:27 SHOW the very point you deny "that the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND".

You duck and dodge this repeated question and simply "cast about you" looking for some straw topic to avoid the words OF Christ!!

That has to be embarrassing for you - that your view requires you to suffer this time after time as it is pointed out!

Can you not even admit that you have nothing in your view to support the Words of Christ in Mark 2:27??

Can you admit confusion or that you are stuck? Must you continually duck the question entirely?

In our exchange so far - this is the ONLY question I have set out as a challenge all on its own. Your silence is deafening.

In Christ,

Bob

 

I realize that objectivity and rational response may be leaving you at this moment. But if you would - look up at the top of this page and "See" what the title of this thread is...

Then maybe you might stop complaining that I "Stay on subject" inside the thread that is ON this subject.

The subject of "celebrating the feasts" is an intersting topic. ARe you thinking about starting such a subject??

Why derail the focus of this thread as you continue to flee from the oft repeated question from Mark 2:27??

IN Christ,

Bob

 

Bob,

I have talked with Adventists often, and it is always Sabbath and the mark of the beast as the main topic. As soon as the hard questions are asked, the subject rapidly changes back to the Sabbath issue, which appears to be the flagship issue. They always quote the verse about the "true" church" being the one that keeps the commandments of God, thus believing that the SDA is the only true church. The problem being, is that they have their own definition of what the commandments are.If you are going to keep quoting v 27, why not quote verse 28 as well? Then read Jeremiah 31:31.

 

#1. I did not start this topic.

#2. It is not 'evil' to "stay on topic" for each thread that is started.

#3. I have stated my willingness to address other topics on other threads.

#4. you are still ducking the Words of Christ in Mark 2:27 "as if" that is the right response for you.

Revisionist history and villanizing from the void of what did not actually happen here.

#1. I never left the topic of this thread so that I might then "change back" to the topic of this thread. Only you do that!

#2. You have been "casting about you" for whatever you could find as you came up "Short" on the ONE AND ONLY question I have asked you point blank -- which is the ONE question on Mark 2.

#3. I on the other hand have answered NUMEROUS points that you have tossed out.

You are the only one dodging the pointed and inconvenient facts of scripture on this subject that do not please you.

I have only asked about one. You are simply failing to address that one point in your every post.

There is no change so far.

Still waiting for you to own up to the standard of that ONE question answered from the Words of Christ Himself!

In Christ,

Bob

 

Page 2 of this thread - near the top

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/3598/2.html#000016

The "one question" consistently dodged in this thread. The Words of Christ ignored as "inconvenient". The Mark 2:27 question brought up repeatedly only to have every straw idea tossed out to talk about "INSTEAD" of the Words of Christ!!

This has got to be embarrassing for you.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Bob,

If you review my earlier posts, you will see that I came on this topic to speak against the lunar Sabbath. Somehow, I got sucked into your Sabbath discussion, which as I keep stating, celebrate what ever day you want. It doesn't go against scripture.

 

"Saturday or Lunar" appears to cover both the Lunar Sabbath and the weekly Sabbath.

Did I miss something there?

And I have a correction to my claim about the Mark 2:27 question on page two - it was first posted on page one.

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/3598.html#000007

 

I get that part.

My question is how your view allows for Christ's words in Mark 2:27 to be "True" that in the making of mankind and the making of Christ the Creator's Sabbath it is "The Sabbath that is MADE for mankind and not mankind MADE for the Sabbath".

Since Christ is observing a fact of history -- AT what point prior to Christ saying this - do you allow His words to be true?

In Christ,

Bob

 

Since we can not get the two participants on this thread who are opposed to honoring Christ the Creator's Holy Day (for themselves if for no one else) to address the Words of Christ in Mark 2:27 -- I will "offer some help" by going to OTHER non-Sabbath keeping Christian scholars who HAVE brought themselves to admit to the "inconvenient facts" of Mark 2:27.

This next reference is interesting in that it admits to the “making of both” the Sabbath and Mankind at Creation week and shows the true binding nature of the Sabbath – AND it admits to its own need to switch the Sabbath from what Christ the Creator gave in Gen 2:3 – to man’s traditions regarding “weekday-one”

 

Bob,

I notice that you have been quoting studlight a whole lot in your discussion. It is a site run by an adventist.

 

There are 17 words in Mark 2:27--It's absolutely incredible that one can get so carried away and write page after page after page of dissertation on 17 words?? You folks seem to be stuck in a groove in Mark 2:27--can you expand your beliefs a bit more and use more Scriptures?

 

I don't know about you, Boanerges, but I went on that site and there were so many pop-ups (I have a pop-up blocker that was working overtime)on that site that it was hard to read anything.

 

Have you folks heard of Mark Martin?

He was a former SDA pastor--check out his website

http://www.sdaoutreach.org/

 

Hey!

Finally a response to Mark 2:27 after consistently ducking the point since page one of this thread!.

Outstanding!

Christ's Words in Mark only get a "That was 17 words" response??!!!

Amazing where things go when doctrine is flawed.

So lets see - you "need" to ignore Albert Barnes, Adam Clarke, Christ in Mark 2 -- my repeated inquiry into the question from "page one"...

You are right - you seem to have no limit on ways to turn a blind eye to that text no matter how much I ask you to give a response to the Words of Christ!

I stand amazed!

In Christ,

Bob

 

And... "the point"???

I am simply showing published commentaries of non-Sabbath keeping well-known Bible scholars (or did you think that Albert Barnes and Adam Clarke were Adventists?? )

[ January 23, 2006, 03:47 PM: Message edited by: BobRyan ]

 

Bob,

I started a few more threads that you might be interested in:

http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/28/3603.html?

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/3604.html

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/3605.html

 

Adam Clarke Commentary
Author of one of the most respected interdenominational commentaries ever written, Adam Clarke shows his Godly respect for the Bible as well as his courage to give his opinion on many difficult and controversial questions other commentaries often avoid.

For those that are fearful of finding Albert Barne's commentary on any site connected with an Adventist Christian - try this one to purchase your very own copy.

http://www.swordsearcher.com/christian-authors/albert-barnes.html

 

Nice going.

Thanks

 

Hey look what I found from two guys that could do more than 'count words' when they read Mark 2:27!!

Finally - some "substance" guys!

This next reference is interesting in that it admits to the “making of both” the Sabbath and Mankind at Creation week and shows the true binding nature of the Sabbath – AND it admits to its own need to switch the Sabbath from what Christ the Creator gave in Gen 2:3 – to man’s traditions regarding “weekday-one”

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The Believer and The Law: Is Torah Observance for Us Today?
By: Gary Hendrick



I was working at the office one day when my secretary said I had a phone call. I picked up the phone and it was Lydia (not her real name), a Christian friend who was active in the Messianic movement and helped moderate the "Messianic Believers" forum on CompuServe.

After a few moments of small talk, Lydia informed me that she had just returned from spending several weeks with an Orthodox rabbi in Israel. She said she was intrigued by his "Torah-observant", traditional Jewish lifestyle. He had convinced her that the Oral Law (Talmud) was just as binding as the Bible itself. She had decided to learn Hebrew and adopt a similar lifestyle herself.

I said, "Lydia, do you realize what you are saying? You are talking about converting to Judaism. How can you do this?" I reminded her that the Book of Hebrews in the New Testament was a warning to professing Jewish believers about the danger of returning to the old, Levitical system once they had been exposed to the glorious Gospel of Jesus the Messiah.

http://www.sdaoutreach.org/torah.cfm

Seventh Day Adventism is a cult!!

Mark 2:27 is not the only verse in the Bible!!