Which KJV edition is 100% accurate?

[Dr. Bob]

Hey, we all jump in, say things and have good/bad/ugly days. Anything you say is assumed, though, to have MEANING, to have been THOUGHT THROUGH, and that you have READ the preceding posts (not just skimmed).

Most here actually read and love the KJV (I use both the 1611 and the Oxford 1769). We believe there are many good English translations, including many of the KJV revisions.

Just a heads up. And stay away from the only bunch. They're looney-tunes!

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob:
Just a heads up. And stay away from the only bunch. They're looney-tunes!

See what I mean JesusInFirstPlace?

 

[JesusInFirstPlace]

I'm going to learn from previous mistakes and just keep my mouth closed, before I end up inserting my foot again!!

 

[Logos1560]

Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:

I am convinced that God has blessed the KJV beyond any other English translation, and that is good enough for me.

Terry, are you admitting that your man-made KJV-only view has no consistent, scriptural basis but depends on your own experience or your own
opinions about God's blessings?

Charles Spurgeon observed: "If you make apparent providence your guide, you will make a thousand mistakes, but if you follow 'It is written' your steps will be wisely ordered" (THE INFALLIBLE WORD, p. 40). Spurgeon continued: "I wonder whether Jonah, when he went down to Joppa to flee to Tarshish, considered it a providence that a ship was about to sail. If so, he was like too many now-a-days, who seek to lay their guilt upon God by declaring that they fell bound to act as they did, for providence suggested it. Our Lord was not guided as to what he should do by the circumstances around him" (p. 40).

 

[HankD]

Dear JIFP, stick around, speak your mind, just as long as you understand that it can get pretty hot in this kitchen.

I too carry my 1769KJV (and often times my AV1611 KJV First Edition facsimile) to Sunday School and Church where most people don't use the KJV. We all get along fine.

HankD

 

[JesusInFirstPlace]

I could stick around and speak my mind, but like I said, I'm 17 (my mind is pretty empty this early in life). So, I will probably insert my opinion every now and then, but won't be in the front lines of this ongoing battle, you know?

As far as this particular thread, I don't know the differences between even the KJV bibles- I just know that I use one of them! I don't even know if I am KJVO or not- like I only use the KJV, as does my church, but I don't know if I think other versions are wrong or not. Undecided, but that's okay!

 

[AVL1984]

JIFP, stick around, for sure! But, Dr. Bob is right, the KJVo's are LOONEY TUNES! I, too, use the KJV as my Bible of preference, but I still use other versions as well. There are some here who are just hit and run posters (T_H is one of them) who post an opinion and run and hide without much real imput. Don't become like him.
Anyhow, Welcome and post away!

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:
JesusInFirstPlace, unfortunately you are wasting your time if you think you will get anything except scorn if you stand by the KJV.

It is the ones who are not single-translation-onlyists that stand by the KJV. I myself stand by the KJV fiercely, and will defend it vigerously from the false doctrine of KJVOnlyism.

I no longer even respond to these silly questions that the MV lovers live by.

Which explains why I have ask no less that 36 times for scriptural support for KJVOism, and have never once gotten a response.

I am convinced that God has blessed the KJV beyond any other English translation, and that is good enough for me. If you continue to view this forum you will see exactly what I am talking about.

It has been said in another forum that, if our understanding interferes with scripture, then we must change our understanding. If single-translation-onlyism is not a scripturally supportable doctrine, it behooves the single-translation-onlyist to change his/her understanding of scripture.

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by JesusInFirstPlace:
I could stick around and speak my mind, but like I said, I'm 17 (my mind is pretty empty this early in life). So, I will probably insert my opinion every now and then, but won't be in the front lines of this ongoing battle, you know?

As far as this particular thread, I don't know the differences between even the KJV bibles- I just know that I use one of them! I don't even know if I am KJVO or not- like I only use the KJV, as does my church, but I don't know if I think other versions are wrong or not. Undecided, but that's okay!

For a 17 year old to admit that she has an "empty mind" means that your maturity level is about ten times that of most of the 17 year olds that I know. You are a wise girl and if you continue in the same path will continue to grow in wisdom. I am impressed.

The real fact is, that compared to God and eternity, we ALL have empty minds. (Just some more empty than others

)

Stick around, post your opinions. Ninety percent of the posts are just that anyway. If you jump in and get proven wrong, then just do like I do and learn from and and continue on.

The bottom line is that there are essentially two major groups here. The ones who believe that the King James Bible is the ONLY PERFECT TRANLATION in English of God's Word. Then there are those of us who believe that there are many good English translations of God's Word.

The first group we call the KJVo (King James Version Only), the second group the KJVo like to call MVs (for modern versions), but this is not a correct description because we that are called MVs, like the King James and many of us use it more than another translation. We just don't believe God ordained a single one and only perfect version for the English language. God inspired the originals and they were perfect, but we no longer have those originals, but we have sooo many manuscripts that we have very accurate knowledge of what was in those original manuscripts.

Anyway, I hope that helps understand what is debated here. Watch it and learn. Put in your two cents now and then--people will jump all over you, but just remember, this is a debate site and that is just what we do here. We can all disagree with each other and then get together and pray for a lost husband of someone we completely disagree with on translations. I've seen it. These are good people (usually--sometimes we get out of line.)

I hope that helps some, but you are absolutely welcome to hang around, we do have fun here.

 

[robycop3]

JesusInFirstPlace:K, guys, I know that I said that I would stay out of the debate forum, but I just wanted to say that I am sorry.

You have nothing to apologize for. After all, you're a Baptist & this is a Baptist DEBATE. This is America, not AmeriKa.

I'm somewhat older than 17, but I still learn from this board & similar ones every day. And I wasn't born this old...I was 17 once, and aged one year at a time, same as you have. If you have something to say, please feel free to say it!


I was particualarily snippish earlier, and when I reread what was written I realize that nothing anyone else said deserved the wrath of a 17-year-old girl! So, I am really sorry....forgive me??? {anxiously awaiting response}

Please continue to post as God gives you the ability.


Terry Herrington:JesusInFirstPlace, unfortunately you are wasting your time if you think you will get anything except scorn if you stand by the KJV.

Now, be HONEST, Terry. No one here has SCORNED you. What we HAVE done is ask for EVIDENCE to support the KJVO myth, something sadly lacking in KJVO literature and speech. If I came up to you and said, "I can make you a millionaire in two weeks!" & I was driving an '83 Swinger, you'd be somewhat skeptical since obviously "I" wasn't a millionaire, right?

Same with the KJVO myth. When people tell me, "You should use the KJV only" and I ask why, the usual response is, "Duh...BECAUSE!...".

I no longer even respond to these silly questions that the MV lovers live by.

That's because you can't answer them.

I am convinced that God has blessed the KJV beyond any other English translation, and that is good enough for me.

Convinced...but can't prove it.


If you continue to view this forum you will see exactly what I am talking about.

Yes, you WILL...lotsa big talk but no FACT.

 

[JesusInFirstPlace]

Ok, so I have a question:
Do all of you MV's (for lack of a better term) believe that all of the English versions of today are inspired? Or are there some that you back, but some that are bad???

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by JesusInFirstPlace:
Do all of you MV's (for lack of a better term) believe that all of the English versions of today are inspired? Or are there some that you back, but some that are bad???

Translations of scripture are translations of scripture. Plain and simple.

If you believe that "inspired" referrs to the message contained in scripture, then a typical translation of scripture into any language can be considered insired, whether that language is Elisabethan English, American Business English, COntemporary King's English, Castillian Spanish, Latin Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, German, Dutch, etc.

If you believe that "inspired" referrs to the specific written texts themselves, then no translation is inspired, but instead translations of inspired texts.

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Originally posted by JesusInFirstPlace:
Ok, so I have a question:
Do all of you MV's (for lack of a better term) believe that all of the English versions of today are inspired? Or are there some that you back, but some that are bad???

No they do not! They rely on their ability to interpret the best English translation that they deem appropriate for the situation. In other words, their intellect is their final authority.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:
They rely on their ability to interpret the best English translation that they deem appropriate for the situation. In other words, their intellect is their final authority.

Sounds like what single-translation-onlyists do. They rely on the their own intellect to tel them that a specific translation is their final authority, even though scriptural support for their position is completely absent.

Now, if you can provide scriptural support (request #36) for single-translation-onlyism, I'll change my tune.

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JesusInFirstPlace:
Ok, so I have a question:
Do all of you MV's (for lack of a better term) believe that all of the English versions of today are inspired? Or are there some that you back, but some that are bad???

No they do not! They rely on their ability to interpret the best English translation that they deem appropriate for the situation. In other words, their intellect is their final authority. </font>[/QUOTE]My point with this post is to show how confusing the KJVo movement is to a new or young and growing Christian.

There would never be any argument or disagreement here if Terry wouldn't be jumping in and telling her exactly what he thinks we believe.

My point about the KJVo movement, EXACTLY!

 

[JesusInFirstPlace]

But I mean do you think that there are some bad versions and some good versions? Like do you think that there are any that do change meanings here and there- not necessarily updating the language, but changing it? That's just what I've heard. Like I heard that a lot of versions take out references to Christ's blood and stuff.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by JesusInFirstPlace:
But I mean do you think that there are some bad versions and some good versions? Like do you think that there are any that do change meanings here and there- not necessarily updating the language, but changing it? That's just what I've heard. Like I heard that a lot of versions take out references to Christ's blood and stuff.

I think you it the nail on the head when you said "that's just what I heard". Now, I've compared several translations with their source texts, and have never found any that "change" the meaning of any doctrine. Now, if you want to discuss word meaning changes, there are several, but they're all quite minor. And yes, the KJV has several as well. It's still a good translation, though.

 

[JesusInFirstPlace]

What about like that Teen Revolution bible? Because I've heard that is kind of a stretch too (more like a summary then a Bible). Or I've heard that there is like a rapper's bible or something???

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by JesusInFirstPlace:
What about like that Teen Revolution bible? Because I've heard that is kind of a stretch too (more like a summary then a Bible). Or I've heard that there is like a rapper's bible or something???

Again "Because I've heard" is nothing more than engaging in rumor and gossip. We're strictly forbidden from engaging in such. I purchased a "Revolve" Bible. It's actually an edition of the New Century translation (which is a previously established translation), and contains the New Testament only. I've read the content cover to cover, and there's nothing in the Revolve (or Refuel) Bibles that are what you say you've "heard". This is how baseless rumos get started, which is why we as Christians are forbidden from engaging in it.

 

[JesusInFirstPlace]

I wasn't trying to spread rumors! I just want to cover all the bases before I decide on a Bible that isn't quite....right for me.